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What’s The Point Wednesday

Morning peeps,

Warning** grumpy alert!  I am not responsible for this post as I am still grumping and grouching. I reserve the right to change my mind on whatever I write.

Well call it my down day but I just don’t see the point in politics right now. Last night was for the birds and now I am in a fowl mood…  I am also in need of a vacation and a latte.

What I have learned these past 3 years is that no matter how much we try to change the rules of the game and rage against the machine, it is pointless. He who has the most money wins and America is full of stupid people who believe 100% of what they see on TV and in headlines.

Given that formula, Palin would never have a chance.  We are stuck with Romney as the nominee and there is nothing we can do. Even if Palin gets in, he would go scorched earth on her with lies and she wouldn’t have the money to compete nor would she have the media on her side to help correct the record.  I think Palin knew this back in October. Once a bell is rung, even if it is a lie, it is near impossible to un-ring it. There is so much of her record that has never been corrected and for many there is still confusion about what is true and what isn’t. My how Romney would have muddled the waters even more.  All Schweizer’s research on his book fell on deaf ears, all the digging bloggers have done on records has been in vain, all of Palin’s speeches and Facebook posts have only been a tiny ripple. People just don’t seem to care. They would rather nurse personal, petty grievances against candidates than look at the math. Conservatives will never restore America when they can’t agree on the big picture. It is like herding cats. The establishment knows this and counts on it.

Palin has mentioned money in so many interviews as a major concern and she did last night too. Last night’s victory by Romney was ALL about Romney, his money and the establishment, and I don’t see Palin jumping at this point. I see her looking at things with a keen slant toward realism. She knows that no matter how much money she raises, it won’t be as much as Romney and Rove’s Crossroads.  The primaries are now picking up the pace with multiple states voting on the same day. This means more money is necessary because the candidates won’t have the luxury to work a single state like they have in the past. This gives Romney the advantage. He can saturate multiple markets with TV ads and make fewer stump speeches.  That all takes money. Last night proved that he who has the most money wins…

One thing that Gov. Palin needs to be cautious of is underestimating the level of frustration among conservative rank and file. I saw twitter light up last night with comments from good, solid conservatives that fall in the category of people who like Palin and take Palin at her word that she isn’t running. This would be 95% of conservatives. Since they have no expectation of her getting in at any point, the frustration level I started to see with her by them is concerning. Some wonder why she is so scared to make a decisive decision, others are complaining about the state by state endorsements, and I saw a few say that she needed to either S*%# or get off the pot. Others were saying she either needs to lead, follow or get out of the way. Others still were angry that she says to use our votes to even the field when the point of the primary is to find a winner not spread the love.  Some wonder what exactly she is wanting to be revealed presumably about Romney and why not just put it out there instead of all this.

Now before people complain about the general conservative electorate, Gov. Palin would need these people if she were to run.  These people matter. They like her. They WANT her to lead. They are frustrated that she seems in a few tweeter’s words “fence riding”. They understand her power and influence and they want to see her stake her claim, draw the line and get out and campaign for the conservative of her choice.  There is no reason to criticize these people.

I hope her strategy doesn’t backfire. Honestly, I want her to jump in and run. That is what I want but IF she really isn’t going to get in then I just don’t understand what she is doing. IF she is choosing to sit this one out then why not just endorse someone and campaign for them?  Why not just throw down the gauntlet against the establishment/Romney and lead the charge?

Yet, IF she is hoping for a brokered convention, she needs to give fewer interviews so that she doesn’t alienate people who might view her as tampering with the system instead of being in the fire and taking the heat like the others. She is showing her hand a bit too much by talking about evening the field if her goal is a brokered convention. How is she going to get around the establishment with a brokered convention? They will have even more power and influence during the brokering process.

And again she gave Newt a one state endorsement in Nevada which caucus this coming Saturday. My state votes next Tuesday in a caucus and unless she tells me to vote Newt in CO, I am writing her name in.

The other day I posted about what I had heard back in October about one of the possible reasons Gov. Palin may not have chosen to run.  I do not think it is the only reason and I also think the establishment has probably put up other blocks too. They don’t take chances on losing their power.

Most were shocked and appalled at the idea but I want to express that I do think that there are always people to hire. People who want to make a buck, people with grudges against the establishment etc. BUT that doesn’t mean those people are trustworthy or extraordinarily competent.  I also want to express that this type of maneuvering by the establishment is nothing new and not unique to Gov. Palin. I’m not sure that anyone other than Reagan ever experienced the full force of such pressure, but the techniques are not new.  When Palin talks of lack of organization, I think National campaign staff. I do not think grassroots activists. She knows she has our support. Again, I’m not saying this is what happened. I am just passing along what I heard as was one reason for her decision.  For those that are skeptical please read this article.

The key portion is the last two paragraphs:

“We are not at Defcon 5 yet, but we’ll see what happens in Florida,” said another one of the worried GOP strategists.

If Gingrich does win, veteran GOP strategists tell CNN to expect pressure on Senate Minority Leaders Mitch McConnell, House Speaker John Boehner and other Republican leaders to call key GOP donors and ask them not to contribute to Gingrich’s campaign.

They are vicious against Newt but they would have been worse on Palin. Defcon 5 for Newt is likely their Defcon 1 for Palin…

Yesterday, I was asked what my main reasons are for not supporting Santorum (not all, just the main ones).  Well, he is a big government Republican. He is not a conservative. He is only socially conservative not fiscally.  However, my main reasons are that he has dissed the Tea Party on more than one occasion but on video here where he clearly doesn’t understand what this great country is about and when Palin stepped down as Governor, he hid behind his wife and said this about Gov. Palin, “it looks like, you know, she couldn’t take it, and that’s not a good thing for women.”  Gov. Palin not being able to “take it” had nothing to do with her stepping down. He also had staff that suggested “women are not fit to lead” and Santorum refused to denounce what the staffer said and apologize to Bachmann for it and to this day, he has not.  I know Palin would never get away with staying silent when a staffer said something like that. If Palin had refused, people would assume its because she supported the statement. I just don’t like his holier than thou attitude and the fact that his supporters act as if Rick is holier than thou.  I didn’t like his lecturing about mudslinging last night and how he has not participated in any negative campaigning all while he is running a dishonest, mudslinging ad about Newt on TV AND radio in Nevada.  He spent most of his time trashing Newt but yet denouncing the trashings …  hypocrite … Between Rick and Mitt, where does a Tea Party conservative go? Both of them show disdain for us.

But, I don’t think he is a horrible person and I think he is a generally likeable person but the math is the math and I don’t like being told how conservative he is or honest he is when he is just as dishonest as the rest of them and not remotely conservative beyond social issues. Rick had the debate of his life and he lost miserably last night. That should tell everyone something.

I also believe that when Santorum drops out now or 6 months from now, he will endorse Romney. He isn’t interested in my vote. He isn’t interested in getting Newt’s voter block or he would be nicer. He doesn’t have anything to do with the Tea Party groups. He can’t take one for the conservative team when he isn’t really on our team. Nevada should not be a strong Newt state. It will be a strong Paul and Romney state and yet Rick would rather attack Newt than Romney or Paul. I find that interesting …

Yesterday’s Headlines:

More Game Change… sit down for this one…

Isn’t this cute

Shoot for the moon?

LOVE the last paragraph of this article…

What the hell is wrong with these people?  Who does this stuff?

Open letter to Romney from Hispanic leaders…

Yes, I do think they will take issue with this

He has a point… as Gov. Palin said it is what we replace them with that matters…

She makes a very good point… the silence is deafening… However, a special needs child is very different than a terminally ill child.

Yes, yes, yes! He gets it…

Politijim takes on Malkin for her bias and double standard. This is interesting reading

He is now, is he?

not so fast Romney… West will just run in another district

Flashback: Romney pleased with TARP…

$51 million dollars…

Yuk… who wants to go inside there

just like they would have Palin…



Reality sets in for SarahPac…. the math is the math… she does talk about the money being raised a lot.

Finally, they end funding

He gets it…

So is this part of his inevitability meme? cause Newt’s crowds are still bigger than Romney’s.

and now the media pivot to the general election with this stuff

Latest Nevada polling…

Mr. I’m not slinging any mud released this and this last night as he lectured on not slinging mud… problem is Newt never supported Cap and Trade. Here he is testifying against it. He also slammed TARP and said it was set for corruption and he hoped it was defeated. He did say he would reluctantly vote yes because the White House wasn’t giving them a choice but he spoke out against TARP itself.  Funny how Santorum thinks its OK for him to sling mud and lies but not anyone else…

Gov. Palin last night:


Hopefully, my grumpiness subsides. I guess we will see…  What is everyone else thinking? I am in desperate need of different points of view…

Have a good day all!

  • TEXs


    You did it again!
    Great analysis!

    Sad and tragic for America as it is,I still firmly believe that Governor Palin made the right decision on Oct.5.

    She made Tea Party powerful force during 2010 elections,yet,the ingrates stabbed her in the back by
    not giving her full support,or even decent support.

    She made historic speech in Indianola (I was in front raw,directly looking at her) and conservatives
    and Tea Party were silent.No praise,nothing.

    Governor Palin loves  to battle Libs,Obama and Chicago Thugs but to fight The Fifth Column and back stabbing Quislings in corrupt,spineless, rotten to the core GOP establishment is much more difficult.

    She will prevail but it will take time.

    You know,sometime a forest has to burn in order to rejuvenate and prosper.

  • Crueladev

    Good Wednesday Morning P4A Kids…

    WOW…Firelight…you were not kidding with your text of last evening! Spot On!
    People don’t do their research.  They are blindly fooled into believing what they first see instead of
    finding out for themselves.  Why do you think Snopes..which is not trustworthy at times…was created?  I had a friend and supporter of Gov. Palin tell me last night that they were done. Backing out of politics..It broke my heart. 

    It boils down now to State and Local races Kids.  That is where the game is…That is where our focus needs to be at such a time as this.

    I was happy to see that some folks here in CO have stepped up to the plate to get the Libs OUT.
    Perlmutter now has a Republican…I hope Conservative… Competitor.  He just jumped in so I will need to check him out.  He is not in my district but if I can help get nutterbutter out…I will do what I can.

    As far as Gov. Palin goes…she is starting to sound a lot like Hannity.  Same ole same ole broken record.  Nothing new to see here…move along.  I am one of those right now that is of the “Crap or get off the pot” camp.  Could just be my frustration with the whole process.  If she has something up her sleeve…I fear by the time she pulls out the card…no one will be left at the table for her to play her hand.

    Romney has proven himself to be another “false God”…so to speak. Obamalite if you will. His only saving grace is that he actually likes the Country. 

    A very well known radio talk show host and strong Tea Party supporter and defender admitted the other day on his show that …”Tea Party is over.”  It was phenomenon that has run it’s course. It has been corrupted to a certain extent and infiltrated.  He also said that the feelings Tea Party inspired amongst Americans is not over…it is just that the concept of an actual movement is finished.  Now it is up to us as individuals to push forward.  Not sure I tend to agree with all that…but he does have some good points.

    So Buck Up Kids….Think State and Local…State and Local!!!

    Now for something more important….

    A Brief On This Day:

    1788 – Isaac Briggs and William Longstreet patented the steamboat.
    1790 – The U.S. Supreme Court convened for the first time in New York City.
    1861 – Texas voted to secede from the Union.
    1862 – “The Battle Hymn of the Republic,” by Julia Ward Howe was first published in the “Atlantic Monthly.”
    1884 – The first edition of the Oxford English Dictionary was published.
    1893 – Thomas A. Edison completed work on the world’s first motion picture studio in West Orange, NJ. 
    1913 – Grand Central Terminal (also known as Grand Central Station) opened in New York City, NY. It was the largest train station in the world.
    1919 – The first Miss America was crowned in New York City.
    1920 – The first armored car was introduced.
    1930 – The Times published its first crossword puzzle.
    1951 – The first telecast of an atomic explosion took place.
    1957 – P.H. Young became the first black pilot on a scheduled passenger airline. 
    1960 – Four black college students began a sit-in protest at a lunch counter in Greensboro, NC. They had been refused service.
    1987 – Terry Williams won the largest slot machine payoff, at the time, when won $4.9 million after getting four lucky 7s on a machine in Reno, NV.
    1994 – Jeff Gillooly pled guilty in Portland, OR, for his role in the attack on figure skater Nancy Kerrigan. Gillooly, Tonya Harding’s ex-husband, struck a plea bargain under which he confessed to racketeering charges in exchange for testimony implicating Harding.
    1999 – Former White House intern Monica Lewinsky gave a deposition that was videotaped for senators weighing impeachment charges against U.S. President Clinton.
    2003 – NASA’s space shuttle Columbia exploded while re-entering the Earth’s atmosphere. All seven astronauts on board were killed…Heros All…RIP! We will never forget!

    Happy Birthday:
    Stuart Whitman, John Ford, Garrett Morris, Clark Gable

    You all have a good day!

    • Janne Myrdal

      Cruela says: “It boils down now to State and Local races Kids.  That is where the game is…That is where our focus needs to be at such a time as this.”  

      GAME ON!!!!!!! 

  • section9

    Outstanding analysis, but Palin is playing a longer game.

    She can’t reform the GOP from the White House, not right now. She can only go bottom up. Think in those terms and you’ll get what her intentions are.

    Right now, she’s not panicking, but I actually expect her to formally endorse Newt, possibly before CPAC. In order to keep going, Newt needs some juice, and Palin can give him a lift.

    However, not even her endorsement will change the strategic situation this year. Palin can look forward to a long period of guerilla warfare against the Establishment. That’s her only card.

    • Akabosan

      “…long period of guerilla warfare…” is IMNSHO on what we all need to be focusing.

      This process started before I was born (into my 7th decade) and will take a lot longer to root out.  Like nut grass in Florida it is connected even under the pavement.  No chopping or spraying or mowing will kill it.  It must be pulled up including the roots and the “nuts” that connect it.

      It will include getting down on our knees too.


  • Right_Wingnut

     ….He who has the most money wins and America is full of stupid people who believe 100% of what they see on TV and in headlines.

    Given that formula, Palin would never have a chance…..

    In 2008, Romney had more money than all of the others combined….AND LOST!
    The difference is that the field of candidates is much weaker this time around. Exit polls show that nearly 60% of primary voters want another choice.

    • hrh40

      But it was McCain’s “turn” last time. He was the GOPE’s and MSM’s pick.

  • Akabosan

    Dear, dear Firelight…  If I may be so bold, it is (I believe) time for another day like February 11.  If I hear in your ‘voice’ what I think I hear, I would rather you take a day than to ‘have to’ take 3 days or a week.  Even Jesus had to have his alone time.  If there is no desert or mountain or lake or stream  near you, maybe you can just take the time to go within.

    Exhaustion leads to confusion that leads to colds and flu. 

    Please consider this post in the spirit intended.

    I hope you have a wonder-filled day.


  • votermom

    Firelight, remember how Sarah called them Cannibals? If I was captured by literal cannibals and had no hope of escape, I would still be struggling until the very end. And then I’d make sure I gave them a horrible case of food poisoning.

    P4A: What’s The Point Wednesday: #WeThePeople vs #Cannibals!/votermom/status/164697946208739328

  • Jim809

    The article in The Hlll has it right but things are not hopeless. The day after Romney’s loss in November is when the 2016 campaign begins. A candidate can’t wait until after the mid-term elections to begin thinking about putting together a campaign organization. It will take three full years of careful planning and organizing with a first-class staff led by a top-notch professional to have any chance of defeating the Republican establishment and wresting the nomination from their grubby hands in 2016. That’s the real lesson for Gov.Palin to take from the way she approached this year’s campaign.  

  • cookboy

    “The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold opposed ideas and retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet remain determined to make them otherwise.”
    F. Scott Fitzgerald, as best I can recall.
    Section 9, Akabosan I think are correct.

    Relevant video;

  • colliemum

    It’s ok to be grumpy on this day. If it helps, smash some crockery. That is most satisfying, and cleaning up the pieces afterwards does get one back on firm ground.

    I confess I’m a bit shell-shocked myself, and I’m not even an American.

    You point out the huge let-down felt by so many conservatives who would have been Palin supporters. It is very hard to tell them what has really been going on, but it must be done to limit the damage to Sarah. The GOPe and the LSM will use yesterday’s result to besmirch her yet again. 

    So all I can say is – take this day off, take a nice walk, play with your kids, throw snowballs where there is snow, recharge your batteries, especially the political ones, and let this day sink into night.

    Tomorrow is indeed another day!

    Virtual hugs to all of you!

  • Lipstick

    Cheer up Firelight!
    It is not over & everything will work out. Whatever happens, good or bad in our opinion, God is still in control. Put on your shoes & go outside for a walk (or better yet, a run). This will clear your mind and the fresh air will perk you up. Also, as you are walking, list all your blessings, out loud, and this will perk you up even more.

    I know you know all of this, but just go DO IT.
    God Bless you!!!

    • Akabosan

      Wow!  Such great advice.  “…list all your blessings, OUT LOUD,…

      When we do that, we cannot help but think of blessings that are attached parts of the blessings we are announcing…  expressing.  “Express, all that is necessary is to keep breathin… IN and OUT.  Exhale is just as important as the taking in part.


  • BostonBruin

    Good morning! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts, Firelight. I feel much the same way. What I struggle with right now is giving money to SarahPAC. We have been so betrayed by Nikki Haley and Pam Bondi.

    One thing I hope that becomes clear to Gov. Palin is that if she can’t rally the troups for Gingrich to defeat Romney, she may not be able to rally the troups to support Romney against Obama. I do think she’s at a crossroads right now. If she really wants Newt as the nominee, then it’s time for a full endorsement and then hit the campaign trail for him.

    Keep on eye on what Donald Trump does. He is currently laying the groundwork for an independent run, but perhaps for a different candidate than himself. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking on my part. We’ll find out in a few months.

  • KatieSilverSpring

    Well, Firelight, I wasn’t as down as you til I read your post.  Not blaming you but I woke up this morning thinking about the early 2008 mystery of how McCain got the nomination.  It was alot of opposition “voters” from all fronts getting into those caucuses and primaries.  Of course, at that time, I thought it was the Clinton machine, not realizing at that point how dangerous the Kennedy clan and Obama was/were.

    I have no doubt that Romney has alot of money on his own but I honestly believe the hedge fund guys (remember what job Chelsea really has – hedge funder), George and his gang, are in there as well under cover of SuperPAC whatever.  This creeps me out.

    I believe that something is wrong in Florida.  I am happy Gingrich is moving forward and onward.  It is when the Obama gang kick in full time that it will be really scary.  Gingrich is pissed off and I am happy about that.  I am paying attention to every thing Palin says, as well as certain radio show hosts.

    I am staying awake.  I am paying attention.  I am speaking up but no longer writing much.

    279 days til the election.  Hang on.  NO ONE is worse than Obama – keep that mantra in your head.

  • Nativevoice +

    Firelight, finally someone that is not afraid to tell the truth about Santorum. I think he is a plant just like Bachmann was. You are right he is a social conservative but not a fiscal conservative and his record proves it. He has no executive experience and I personally do not think he would allow Gov. Palin anywhere near his campaign. His statements toward women and him being number 1 pork barrel spender while in the senate turned me against him. Plus the trick he pulled to win re-election in 2006 by getting and paying for a Green party candidate to try and split the Democratic vote which didn’t work and his Kstreet connections. The governor really only has one candidate to get behind and that is Newt.
    I wish to God that people would do their own research but they don’t.


    I’m feeling pretty grumpy too Firelight.
    For all the reasons you stated, I’m starting to feel a little disgruntled with Palin too.

    I stated it ad nauseum last night that Sarah needs to get her arse out of Alsaka and get down to the lower 48. She needs to grab hold of that Tea Party and give it a good kick in the you know what.
    I’ve never heard the Tea Party so quite as I have over the last several months……especially lately.

    Just what is Palin up to??  I think she wants to run away from a brokered convention as far as she can. The back room dealings and dangling bribes have corruption written all over a brokered convention….don’t think she wants any part of that.
    Besides….Sarah won’t even get a speaking time at the convention, let alone have any pull in a brokered one.

    This thing with Newt….what else is she to do? Santorum is nowhere close to beating Mitt, Newt is our only choice… we keep on keeping on for now. *sigh*

    Since Oct 5th I’ve been saying …it’s the money honey, or lack there of… the reason Sarah isn’t running.
    Her announcement seemed abrupt, but it really wasn’t. It was in the works since after the first “bus tour”….Sarah hasn’t been the same since “jury duty”.
    The gope were/are not giving her one single dime or even one little word of support. Imagine what they are doing to Newt, but only on a much grander scale.

    Sarah is trying to stick it to the gope, and I’m all for that……but the way she is doing it has lost any effectiveness.
    She needs to get down here and get down and dirty. The Fox videos and the facebook postings aren’t nearly enough anymore.
    If she’s serious about what she wants to do than she needs to ring the battle cry, and hopefully cpac will be the start. CPAC is the key, if she doesn’t start rallying the troops there then IMHO, she needs to go back to Alaska and live her life.


  • Riley4Palin

    Perhaps inside the beltway politics is not part of God’s ultimate plan for Palin. 

    There are a million reasons why so many good people stay out of politics.  It is filled with a bunch of power hungry people who are willing to sell their souls for a short-term high.  Is it worth it?  Not to me.  But that is their choice and part of their own personal journey in life.  Will they see things differently someday?  Maybe, maybe not. 

    Personally, I have resigned myself to the following:

    1)  Palin still holds an immense amount of power and influence, and yet, the Republican Establishment is trying their best to relegate her to a 4th string Quarterback holding the clipboard on the sideline. 

    2)  Lately, Palin is sitting inside that boat trying to paddle upstream all by herself.  She thought she had others inside that boat willing to paddle with her, but they saw a beautiful expensive Yacht out in the distance and decided that would be the easier way to go.

    3)  While sitting in that boat, Palin will continue to rock it back and forth until there are enough waves reaching that Yacht to make everyone on board sea sick.

    4)  For me, Love and Loyalty are for God, my family, my partner, and my close friendships.  It sure isn’t saved for anyone in politics because you will always be disappointed.  The problem with DC is they have their priorities all backassbackwards.  They put money and power ahead of what is truly important in life.  Palin gets it, they don’t, and they sure as heck don’t want to be reminded of it either.

    • Whitney Pitcher

      There you are again with your much needed level headed perspective! :) Thanks!

  • Janne Myrdal

    SP was out of the 2012 POTUS race on Oct 5th.  Period.  Look long term, watch and listen.  CPAC will be pivotal. 
    And meanwhile listen to good ol Cruela and others here :  “It boils down now to State and Local races Kids.  That is where the game is…That is where our focus needs to be at such a time as this.”

    • Firelight

      Thanks for the reminder :)  I do know this.  My vent isn’t really about Sarah getting in or not getting in, it is more about how money seems to control our country.  It is frustrating. 

      I agree that we should focus on state and local races but 2010 didn’t get us much once those people were exposed to the money and influence of DC & the establishment… (Haley, Bondi, Bachmann, etc…).

      but we soldier on…

  • Whitney Pitcher

    Good morning,all!

    Firelight, I share in your frustration, and in light of the fact today is Clark Gable’s birthday (as Cru notes), I want to share his sentiments in a political context: “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give d**n”. I get tempted towards indifference, but know that there is a long term goal and even more local goals to be focused upon in this next year. I still wish Governor Palin’s support of Newt wasn’t so overt. I understand it politically, but not out of principle. I know she is a very pragmatic individual, and I never expected to agree with her on everything, nor have I done so in the past. She did campaign for Murkowski after she lost her bid for Lt. Governor in 2002, so she is one to always seek the balance between principle and pragmatism.

    That post on Malkin’s endorsement of Santorum was interesting and well-written. She was one I would have expected (or perhaps hoped) not to endorse, and although she makes a well reasoned case for Santorum, the post you shared makes some very valid points about Santorum that she ignored.

    On another, more positive note, Susan G. Komen announced yesterday that they are no longer going to fund Planned Parenthood grants. This thrills me to hear! I hope this means that they can fund more research and awareness programs with the funds they had previously given to Planned Parenthood.  I wrote a grant to Komen for work, that didn’t get funded, a few years ago, and I’m hoping that they can/will fund more research rather than giving money to an organization focused almost entirely on abortion. They could have funded 32 quarter million dollar research projects with the money they gave to Planned Parenthood in 2009.

    • hrh40

      I think those of use who didn’t know Palin before McCain – say if we had started following her after her historic AK gubernatorial win – probably should take a step back and think about how we would’ve felt about Palin accepting the offer to run as VP for McCain!

      I suspect many folks would have HATED that decision and perhaps would have stopped supporting her.


      Ironically, we have to remember how Palin came to our attention in the first place:

      By doing something that many of us would have been VERY disappointed in her for doing now.

      • Whitney Pitcher

        That is a very, very good point! Thanks! 

      • ErinMC4

        This is an EXCELLENT point. Thank you!

      • Akabosan

        Yes,  Hindsight is 20 / 10, but there is no such thing as time.

        There is NOW!  And there is HERE!

        What time is it (really).  Where are you?


  • Rightmindedmom

    So this is where y’all went! (all the old C4P commenters).  Howdy peeps!  (Channelling my inner southerner, even though I’m from Wisconsin.  Go Scott Walker!)  Not sure what Sarah’s strategy is here, but I stand with her either way.  God has plans for her to somehow lead us out of this Obama malaise — I just know it.  I was convinced it was as POTUS, but maybe that will have to come in a few years, AFTER she has revived, renewed and restored the USA.

    Mom in Wisconsin

  • Emily Baxter

    Okay Firelight and all of you, listen up,

    We’re tired. We’re disappointed. We seriously need a drink or two (or three). Somehow we are between a rock and a hard place. Do you know how hard it is to get out of a rock and a hard place? I can just imagine Sarah Palin literally stuck between a rock and a hard place (It looks very squishy in there doesn’t Gov. Palin?) 

    I blew up last night. I had to consciously get off Twitter so I wouldn’t do something I wouldn’t regret. (Fact is, I used to have a sailor’s mouth) Everything sounds so downright depressing right now, and I’m sure Palin is feeling it too. I feel depressed. You feel depressed. We all feel depressed.

    What’s the point here? We can’t do this forever. Sure, we can sit in-between the rock and the hard place and pout, but where does that lead us? A country, broken and probably un-savable. Somehow we have to push the rock out of our way. Hard, really hard. Harder than what we are doing. We are part of a small group of people that don’t have a ton of influence. Well, we can change that can’t we? Or do we watch Romney win the nomination and Obama win a second term? If that’s what we want, we can sit down and wait. Or we can send scathing posts to major newspapers about Romney and his record. Everyone still reads a newspaper right? Or even a major news network, MSM too. We have to got straight to them. All the way. 

    Well, I’m off to do some scathing posts and writing on anchors of major corps walls’. See ya, and remember, “Let’s kick some honey buns!” 

    Edit: we can raise money too ya know 😉

    • Emily Baxter

      PS–I don’t drink. Not yet, anyways. 😉

      • section9

        Trust me, if Romney is our nominee, you’ll want to get three sheets to the wind on Election Night, because it won’t be fun.

  • poljunkie

    RIP Don Cornelius.

    I know I am dating myself, but growing up in the 60’s and 70’s I used to turn on Soul Train saturday mornings. (After American Bandstand)  That is where I first learned I COULDN’T dance. 

    …I am astounded to find out Romney spent 17 mil in Florida. My family could live on that for the rest of our lives. Wait, more than my family,…Your family too, the entire neighborhood. Wow.

    • John B. Hefmier

      I grew up in the Portland, OR area, where “Soul Train” was not broadcasted.  However, I have enjoyed watching a documentry that occasionally appears on VH1 that explains the history on the show.  Don Cornelius, to my understanding, was the first black person to have a major production company with his name on it.  Sorry that he had some significant health problems as of late.  However, his contribution to the music industry will be remembered.

      • poljunkie

        Hey Hef- I read it was a gun shot. Now I read it was self inflicted. I dont know if it was due to his health problems. Bummer. 
        I watched a recent documentary on Don C and it is interesting it said that he didnt want the “rappers” to take over SoulTrain. He didnt like the image they projected. At some point he stepped down from the television show and someone else took it over because of that issue. 

  • blackbird

    Its afternoon where I am, so Good afternoon everyone. Excellent post Firelight.

    Make Him Pay

    There was a Christian lady who lived next door to an atheist. Everyday, when the lady prayed, the atheist guy could hear her. He thought to himself, “She sure is crazy, praying all the time like that. Doesn’t she know there isn’t a God?” Many times while she was praying, he would go to her house and harass her, saying “Lady, why do you pray all the time? Don’t you know there is no God?” But she kept on praying.

    One day, she ran out of groceries. As usual, she was praying to the Lord explaining her situation and thanking Him for what He was gonna do. AS USUAL, the atheist heard her praying and thought to himself. “Hmph . . . I’ll fix her.”

    He went to the grocery store, bought a whole bunch of groceries, took them to her house, dropped them off on the front porch, rang the door bell and then hid in the bushes to see what she would do. When she opened the door and saw the groceries, she began to praise the Lord with all her heart, jumping, singing and shouting’ everywhere!

    The atheist then jumped out of the bushes and told her, “You old crazy lady, God didn’t buy you those groceries, I bought those groceries!” Well, she broke out and started running down the street, shouting and praising the Lord.

    When he finally caught her, he asked what her problem was . . . She said, “I knew the Lord would provide me with some groceries, but I didn’t know he was gonna make the devil pay for them!”

    • AFinch

      I’m stealing this and posting elsewhere. 

      • blackbird

        Sounds good Finch, I should be posting one everyday, they are usually from Steve Goodier’s newsletter I missed out yesterday as it was hectic and by the time I got here it was very late.

  • blackbird

    Seeing cookboy’s Relevant video I would like to post Bob Marley & The Wailers: Forever Loving Jah ~

  • Akabosan

    I love the whole Brent Budowski article, but the last paragraph is “smokin.”


    Smokin’No fists flying though, men are boxers their fists fly. Mama Grizzly fights like a girl. Watch your eyes and locks, white shoes.GB

  • ls0101

    I admire the honesty and integrity–as well as the exhaustiveness and insight–of your daily posts, Firelight.  Newt’s positions contain multitudes, however, and I’m not so certain that Newt never backed cap and trade:  

    “In 2007, Gingrich told Frontline he would “strongly support” a mandatory cap and trade program:I think if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur, and if you have a tax-incentive program for investing in the solutions, that there’s a package there that’s very, very good. And frankly, it’s something I would strongly support.” 

    • Firelight

      If you keep it in context you will see that your quote is not talking about Cap and Trade as we all know it. That quote refers to the Clean Air Act of 1990 that addressed acid rain.

      On cap and trade, Gingrich said he doubted whether the approach would
      be as effective with carbon dioxide emissions as it had been with sulfur
      pollution (acid rain), which in his view is much easier to measure.

      “And cap-and-trade, by the way, for sulfuric acid and acid rain —
      which I voted for and helped pass as the Republican whip — was a very
      definable number of plants. A carbon cap in trade, if it’s universal, is
      enormously complicated and transfers an amazing amount of power to a
      Washington bureaucracy and will create, inevitably, winners and losers
      and will become politicized overnight.”

      The data is real that acid rain was reduced by the Clean Air Act of 1990 which Gingrich and many Republicans supported INCLUDING Santorum supported. In fact, Santorum went even further by sponsoring a bill in 1995 that authorized companies to require car pooling to reduce miles travelled in ozone nonattainment areas designated as severe.

      This is what I mean by hypocrite. If Santorum is going to use this quote to hang on Gingrich’s neck as supporting Cap and Trade for carbon emissions than he has to include himself (which is neglects to do) in with the same record. There is much greater evidence that Newt questioned, doubted and testified against carbon emissions cap and trade and Santorum knows it. Therefore, I find it a completely dishonest attack by him.


      • ls0101

        If you click through to the actual Frontline interview, I do believe Gingrich is clearly asked about and responding to a carbon cap and trade system:

        “Q: In 2000, candidate George Bush pledged mandatory carbon caps; it was a campaign pledge. What did you think of it at the time? Were you for that?
        A: I think if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur, and if you have a tax-incentive program for investing in the solutions, that there’s a package there that’s very, very good. And frankly, it’s something I would strongly support.” And I share your general distaste for Santorum.

        • Firelight

          Fair enough. That link is in context. I’m not in the Gingrich camp. I’m only honoring Palin’s request.  Personally, I don’t like any of them.

      • Akabosan

        Man, am I glad I am not married to a woman that incisive and thorough.  Man, dang!  Whoa!

        When are you going to run for office, so we can all support you?  (And hopefully get you off of some guy’s case – LOL)


  • Akabosan

    The ‘occupiers’ are too young to remember Kent State.


  • senator20526

    Morning all…..Pietro Leatherchest here….a, bright sunny 74 degrees in the great desert Southwest today…..I’ve got the classic country station on listening to Conway Twitty…thinking about Floriday last night…I posted that I think that we should support the second place fellow in states that Romney leads….and in the case of Missouri, where Santorum leads, we support him….Just my thoughts on keeping the show going all the way to the convention…….Yesterday I told you about my most famous song…I did write two others that went absolutly nowhere…”She did’t like my apartment, so I knocked her flat”….and ” I’ve got tears in my ears, lying on my side, crying over you”. Maybe at our meet-up in Phoenix, Ms. Bean can tell me where I went wrong…Well have a great day and stay safe……..

    • Bean Counter

      Well, seeing as how I actually DID write a country song that was on the charts, I suppose I can put on a songwriting clinic in the hotel bar.

  • senator20526

    The bar is a great place to start……one has to get in the right mood….lol

  • RefudiateGOPe

    I get frustrated when I see or hear people ignoring the entire body of Sarah’s work as a voice of the people.  I don’t agree that she MUST jump in and endorse someone. 

    Based on what I’ve heard her say since 2009, I think that she would be risking her political capital to get involved in the primary process.  She has made it clear that she thinks that the road to “taking back” the country must be done at the local, state, and congressional level.  Yes, I’m sure she wants Obama defeated, but I think she knows that just beating him but not replacing those from both parties who are a barrier to get back to where we need to be. I could be wrong, but I think she understands that if she takes sides right now, it could hurt her ability to help in the congressional races. I’m not sure she’s so much enamoured of Newt as she is cognizant that he’s getting the same treatment by the media and the GOP establishment that she got. And yes, she’s resisting the idea that the establishment should be able to game the system in favor of their chosen one.

    I am disappointed that so many SarahPac contributors have abandoned her.  I remember people saying that they were withholding a contribution to SarahPac so that they could contribute to her presidential campaign.  I remember people saying that they felt betrayed or used because she decided not to run.  Either way, SarahPac has suffered, and I’m disappointed that so many people have lost sight of what Sarah Palin is all about. 

    Until Sarah tells us otherwise, I can accept that she’s not interested in running for POTUS, for whatever reason.  I’m disappointed that there are still a lot of people who criticize her for her decision or how she made the announcement.  Get over it folks.  Unless you are privy to her decision-making process or know for a fact what she saw as the obstacles of running, I think it’s pretty arrogant to even suggest that “Sarah should or shouldn’t………”.  Just like she said in a tweet, if you could have faith in her to make good decisions as POTUS, why wouldn’t you have the same faith in her to make the right decision on running?  I’m not foolish enough to say that Sarah is all-knowing, but I’m also not foolish enough to think I know more about it than she does.

    Here’s an old appearance that she made with Tom Sullivan in 2010.  I think everyone needs to listen to what she said in it:

    This woman can help get us where we need to be, but she can’t do it alone.  For those of you who haven’t contributed to SarahPac lately, maybe it’s time to do so.

    • Crueladev

      See..this is sort of where I disagree and here is why..

      In last nights interview with Brit and MK..I sensed that they were sort of
      going through the motions of asking her questions knowing full well they
      were not going to get a straight up answer.  She stuck to her talking points.

      Brits final question was telling as was the IMHO abruptness of how the interview ended.

      How that interview ended sort of shocked me.  “Okay were done now..see ya”…type of thing.
      I have a feeling the more she sticks to her talking points..again sounding much like Hannity…
      the fewer the interviews and the shorter her time.  I will be interested to see what happens at CPAC and I hope she has some new ideas or thoughts.  We all railed on Obama for the SOTU Address because he recycled material from past speeches.  I hope we hear some new ideas and thoughts and refreshing talking points. 

      I still stand by her…As for her PAC…it was expected that it would lose funding.  Nature of the beast. I will add this though…And I know some of you thought the very same thing…but you know me…I have no fear in just coming out with it…

      I looked at the PAC spending and my first thought was…well it looks like she had a nice summer vacation. With that said I am sure that tour was intended to be a kick off of sorts for a POTUS run. I have no doubt that was the focus..but when she did not run…it looks now like just a well funded family vacation. I am sure I am not the only one to see that…and thus could be one of the reasons funding is down. But that is just my .02 cents…for what it is worth.

      • RefudiateGOPe

        The purpose of her appearance last night was to discuss the results of the FL primary.  Just what other new pontification did you expect her to interject in a five minute appearance on a show that was discussing the FL primary?

        Why criticize her for the shortcomings of those asking questions?  She could have a hundred points to make, but the hosts pretty much control how much she can say.  If she were to bring up a subject, the chances of her being given enough time to finish her thought are non-existent.

        Right now, I don’t know how reasonable it is to expect her to say anything much different when she appears on a show to discuss the primary process.  Hannity, to his credit, allowed her to talk without his incessant interruptions or his long-winded statements in her last appearance, but the subject was still limited to the primary.

        Of course, you also have to consider that she made five appearances in less than five days, so obviously she repeated a lot of the same points.  We may watch all of her appearances, but not everyone else does.

        What you say about her PAC is true, but it’s also true that her PAC can make a difference in the down-ticket races.

        I, too, look forward to what she has to say at CPAC.  I’ll be surprised if she doesn’t talk more about getting good solid conservatives in the statehouses and Congress and less about the circus of nominating our candidate.

        I see that you edited your post and added a comment on the bus trip. It may look to some that it ended up as a family vacation, but I don’t see it that way. I do believe that she saw it as part of her possible planned campaign, but she also stated her intention to use it to help educate people about our history. Sure, for the people who were let down by her decision not to run, it was easy for them to find fault with the tour. They seem to forget that it produced a daily bright spot in an otherwise boring summer.

        • Crueladev

          You blame the “shortcomings” of those asking the questions…It is their job to get answers to their questions.  I don’t consider that “shortcomings.”  My point is they will simply stop asking the questions if they keep getting the same answer.  That is the risk she is running.  And it is not just the last few interviews…it is a culmination of all the interviews.  I sensed last night that
          reporters are growing bored.  I just call it like I see it. 

          And honestly after her first initial bus tour.. I really never heard much more about it and that amounted to the first week.

          I don’t have to like everything she does.  I am not her cheerleader.   

          • Crueladev

            P.S.  Just for the record…I don’t watch all her interviews.  I catch them when I can.  Sometimes I may watch the posted video.  Sometimes not.

          • RefudiateGOPe

            I’m not her cheerleader either and I don’t agree with everything she does or says.  I just don’t need to make a public proclamation of my dissenting opinions.  I’ll leave that to others.  I don’t expect her to be perfect.  Maybe that’s why I don’t think it’s necessary for me to criticize her on a message board. 

            If they ask the same questions, why do you expect her to give them a different answer?  How many different ways can she tell them that four states shouldn’t determine the outcome? How many different ways can she explain that she’s not ready to endorse?  Maybe they should learn to ask different questions. 

            • Crueladev

              To each his own…this afterall is a discussion board.  I do the same for any candidate or public figure…if we can’t discuss…”what’s the point?”

              • RefudiateGOPe

                I hope you understand that I respect your opinions even when I disagree with them. :-)  I remember crossing swords with you a few years ago and my wounds haven’t healed yet.

                • Crueladev

                  Awe…C’mon…I ain’t all that bad!  😉  I just like to keep it real!

                • RefudiateGOPe

                  Your reputation precedes you. :-)

      • ls0101

        Ian just tweeted that she’s in the no-spin zone with O’Reilly tonight.  Should be interesting, however irritating Ted Baxter is.

    • DDJ58

      With the economy the way that is, not everyone has the same level of prosperity that they had for the last three years. It’s not because Governor Palin decided not to throw her hat in the ring.
      For me it’s not having the extra to even give. Please go easy on us. thanx

  • AFinch

    Hang in there Firelight.  Many a country and many a people have gone through darker times than these we are experiencing now.  As long as we keep our priorities straight, turn our attention to the one who matters, and seek to do His will, all will be well. 

    • Akabosan

      Earlier tonight a friend commented that if things get worse than they are we can still have fun.  And if things get much worse, then we can still survive.

      I am a veteran.  My attitude is this:  If things get worse we will still survive.  If things get much worse (martial law?) then we will have some real fun.

      May the Lord Bless you and keep you.


  • BostonBruin

    I mentioned earlier today to keep an eye on Donald Trump. Well, he’s going to make a major announcement tomorrow at 12:30 PM about the Presidential race. An endorsement? An independent run?

    (the tweet says 12:30 PM in Nevada, so that must be Pacific time)

    • hrh40

      Now coming out on twitter that Trump’s going to endorse Newt … the plot thickens. Wasn’t it Firelight who thought the gov, Trump, & perhaps Giuliani were working something?

      • BostonBruin

        What would make this a massive game-changer would be if The Donald also sends Newt’s SuperPAC a nice fat check! Oh, like maybe about $25M or so!

  • ZH100

    What A Big Government Conservative Looks Like

    “Rick Santorum is a pro-life statist.  He is.  You will have to deal with it.  He is a big government conservative.  Santorum is right on social issues, but has never let his love of social issues stand in the way of the creeping expansion of the welfare state.  In fact, he has been complicit in the expansion of the welfare state”.

  • Firelight

    Gov. Palin will be on with Bill O.  This should be very interesting to say the least…

    • hrh40

      Typical BO – hey, did you realize BO has the initials as POTUS?! – is using the gov for ratings by having her on at the last possible moment.

  • hrh40

    FWIW: “Sarah Palin for VP”s Adam Brickley endorses Rick Santorum:

  • hrh40

    And now a tweet in from Robert Costa of NRO that Sharron Angle will endorse Santorum.

  • PhilipJames

    SarahPac only raised $750k the last reporting period and has about $1 million left.

    Yes, maybe some people here will finally wake up and realize that if people would not give Sarah Palin more money, how the hell did they expect she could do anything except what she is doing now?  She does not personally have $600 million or so of her own like Romney does. The Party hates her and would not give her any and would not encourage others to give her any either.

    What if she runs out of money in SarahPac? Do you really expect her to use her kid’s college funds to fly around and attend events and speak to crowds? Good luck with that one.

    If Sarah were to decide to remain in Alaska, collect the FOX paycheck and have a wonderful life with Todd and the kids, I would say good for her… you fought the good fight and the Party and most of the people out there on the right did not really come out to support you, so you owe them nothing.

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