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Fellowship Monday…

Good Monday Morning P4A Kids…

Well it has been a long week.  Sometimes it seems that when tragedy strikes…we only focus on what is right there in front of us and forget about the exterior things.  I for one did not turn on National News for nearly a week until this weekend.  Did not really pay attention to Drudge.  Did not really have a clue nor did I really care what was going on in DC or the world.  So with that as I am trying to catch up…Prayers to those in the east now being hit by storms.

I took the time and suffered through Meet the Press.  EGADS!!!  I do have to hand it to her…Nancy Pelosi can push more cow dung than a whole herd of John Deer Tractors!  I tried to watch some FOX News..but went onto catch up on some of my shows like Hell’s Kitchen and Master Chef.   Some things in life..are just more important.   HA!


This is why I make my own cards!  I refuse to pay for their crap!

Maybe Obama can reclaim this as a “shovel ready project“….* sorry*  (could not help myself) :)

Huh?…The sad part is people really are this STUPID as to sit there and listen!



The “Creep” needs a hug….seems he is a bit “down” these days.

I still say we should look into evicting NY from the Union!


“A dog doesn’t care if you’re rich or poor, educated or illiterate, clever or dull. Give him your heart and he will give you his.”
― John Grogan, Marley & Me: Life and Love with the World’s Worst Dog

On This Day:

1776 – Richard Henry Lee’s resolution that the American colonies “are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States” was adopted by the Continental Congress.

1850 – B.J. Lane patented the gas mask.

1857 – New York City’s first elevated railroad officially opened for business.

1881 – Charles J. Guiteau fatally wounded U.S. President James A. Garfield in Washington, DC.

1890 – The U.S. Congress passed the Sherman Antitrust Act.

1926 – The U.S. Congress established the Army Air Corps.

1937 – American aviation pioneer Amelia Earhart disappeared in the Central Pacific during an attempt to fly around the world at the equator.

1939 – At Mount Rushmore, Theodore Roosevelt’s face was dedicated.

1947 – An object crashed near Roswell, NM. The U.S. Army Air Force insisted it was a weather balloon, but eyewitness accounts led to speculation that it might have been an alien spacecraft. (Pelosi’s Ancestory)

1955 – ABC Television premiered “The Lawrence Welk Show.”

1956 – Elvis Presley recorded “Hound Dog” and “Don’t Be Cruel.”

1964 – U.S. President Johnson signed the “Civil Rights Act of 1964” into law. The act made it illegal in the U.S. to discriminate against others because of their race.

1976 – The U.S. Supreme Court ruled the death penalty was not inherently cruel or unusual.

1976 – North Vietnam and South Vietnam were reunited.

1979 – The U.S. Mint officially released the Susan B. Anthony coin in Rochester, NY.

Welcome to July.  On this first Monday of July I will leave you with this…If you are so inclined….shake the hand of a Firefighter, Police Officer, Military person, even a Politician.  Especially take note of your neighbors who really pull together to come through in a crisis!  We are AMERICAN’S.

You all have a good day!













  • Pete Petretich

    —>>>Road music for our journey to Tampa, Florida!—>>>

    Palinista Jukebox (Version 3.70)

    “B.B. King & Stevie Wonder – The Thrill Is Gone”

    “Ulali: Wah Jhi Le Yihm”

    “Gretchen Wilson: Redneck Woman”

    “Kelly Clarkson – Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You)”

    “Elvis: A Little Less Conversation”

    “Carly Simon: Nobody Does It Better”

    “Jackson Browne: Running on Empty”

    “Heart: Barracuda”

    “Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: American Girl”

    “Sarah Palin: Ride”

    “Rascal Flats: Life Is A Highway”

    “Suzy Bogguss: Drive South” 

    “B.B. King: Better Not Look Down”


    “Sarah Palin: America”

    “Enya: May it be”

    “Krista Branch: I Am America”

    “Sarah Palin: One in a Million”

    “Sarah Palin: The World’s Greatest”

    “Nancy Sinatra: These Boots Are Made For Walkin”

    “Suzy Bogguss: Outbound Plane” 

    “Lisa Mei and Big Dawg: Change You Won’t Regret”

    “Here Comes the Sun: A Tribute to George Harrison by Paul Simon, Crosby and Graham Nash”

    – – – – – 

    “At the convention anything can happen!” —Jim Taylor, party boss; 4 minutes 20 seconds into the film.

    “Mr. Smith Goes To Washington (1939), Full Movie”

    If this primary season ever gets you down then I recommend watching this hilarious film, which is one of Sarah’s favorites! Every Palinista needs to see it at least once. The film contains many clues about what has happened in the past few years, AND about what’s going to happen on the road to Tampa…

    “Sarah Palin About Open Convention – Anything is Possible!”

    – – – – –

    “Jeff Beck & Sting – People Get Ready”

    “I made it”

    “Elvis Costello: Pump It Up”

    “The Lady Who Can Make the Sun Shine”

    “Ry Cooder, Wim Wenders, Sam Shepard: Paris, Texas et. Al.”

    “Shania Twain: She’s Not Just A Pretty Face”

    “Marhta Reeves: Wild Night”

    “Minstrel Boy: Closing Credit Music from The Undefeated”

    “Johnny Kahn: American Heart”

    “Dolly Parton: Nine to Five”

    “Notre Dame Bagpipe Band: The Minstrel Boy”

    “Crazies for Sarah Palin Hey Hey”

    “Krista Branch: Can You Hear Us Now?”

    “Natasha Bedingfield: Pocketful of Sunshine”

    “Van Morrison: Someone Like You”

    “Stevie Wonder: Isn’t She Lovely?”

    “Eagles and Travis Tritt: Take it Easy”

    “Jackie Wilson & Company: Higher and Higher” 

    “Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska (FULL MOVIE)”

  • Gelston

    My estimated-to-be 75 year old apricot tree fell over this weekend.
    I wonder if it heard about the supreme court decision.
    maybe it thought that death panels were something you make out of wood.

    three years ago tomorrow, Sarah resigned her governor’s position.
    and we crossed the Rubicon with her.

  • 99Dual99Citizan99

    Crueladev,I must say I love the political cartoon. the old sayin’ comes to mind,”a picture is worth a thousand words.” However, may I please add, thank you so much for all your words and for your support of P4A.

    • Gelston

      what area of beautiful BC do you live in Dual?

      • 99Dual99Citizan99

        Thank you for asking, Gelston. I live in North Vancouver. If you don’t know the area well North Vancouver is a suburb of Vancouver. Might as well just say Vancouver.

        As you probably already know, it says,” Beautiful British Columbia” on the license plates.

         Thanks again, Gelston and don’t forget, ” We are the only people that say thank  you to our bank machines.”

        • Gelston

          My perfect wife and I live in Yakima, WA.
          I know the area fairly well.
          No morning is complete without Murchie’s tea

          • 99Dual99Citizan99

            Thank you so much for all your comments, Gelston. If you and the wife really like tea than I have heard that the Empress Hotel in Victoria is the “place.” I believe there is even a ferry that leaves Wa. and comes straight to Victoria on beautiful Vancouver Island.

            A classic case of “it’s a small world.”

            • Gelston

              yes, we have had high tea there. Victoria is great.

              • 99Dual99Citizan99

                Thank you for your response, Gelston. Just in case you didn’t know, Victoria is the capital of British Columbia. Even if you knew this fact, perhaps some of the readers did not know.

                • John B. Hefmier

                  Beautiful city, especially Downtown.

            • John B. Hefmier

              There are ferries that go to/from Port Angeles and Seattle.  There is also a ferry that goes to Sidney from Anacortes.
               I have bought tea from the gift shop at the Empress Hotel.  Great stuff.

        • Firelight

          Vancouver and the pacific northwest are, in my opinion, some of the most beautiful parts of the lower 48.  It is so green.

          I could never live there as I’m a sunshine addict (Colorado gets over 300 days a year) but I do love to visit!!!!

          • 99Dual99Citizan99

            Thank you for your comment, Firelight. Yes, it is green here. However, there is an old saying here in B.C. ” The price we pay for a green province.”

             Please, try not to forget, I was born in Canada and it is my country.

            I accept the fact, that you are a “sunshine addict.” However, try not to forget that you are also an American first and I believe that “makes all the difference.” Oh, I am so glad you love to visit.

            Don’t forget, the only time the sun “really shines here is the middle of July to the middle of August.” Also, the people in the rest of Canada say ” they could never live here because of our rain.”

            • Firelight

              Yes, I am an American first.  That I never forget but that doesn’t negate the beauty that you have up there.  I don’t mind the rain as much as clouds.  It is because of the rain that it is so pretty and green.

              I grew up in the midwest where they only get 189 days of sun so I didn’t always have this sunny luxury.  I admit I’ve become spoiled but always appreciative.

          • blackbird

            Yesterday I came across a photo on the internet, a guy resting on a wooden fence and in the distance a horse in a wooden fenced field, there was mist further back like I imagine what you might see early in the morning high in the rocky mountains and the mist covering a tree range, it reminded me when I was in England many years ago standing outside of a barn early in the morning down in Cornwall, it was beautiful.

            Your post reminded me of that.

  • Whitney Pitcher

    Thanks, Cru. :) I’m so glad that things seem to be improving in Colorado. Continued prayers for the firefighters fighting the blaze and prayers for rain! It would wonderful if a big rain system came through to soak the fires and then moved east to water the crops in the Midwest. Central Illinois isn’t on fire, but our crops are very thirsty! Despite the destruction and dry crops, this serves as a good reminder of how unimportant politics are in the grand scheme of things and how powerful God is.

    • JanneMyrdal

      Echo the need for rain.

  • 99Dual99Citizan99

                                               Obamacare Vs. Romneycare

    1) I believe, there isn’t much difference.

    2) I think, Romneycare tries to “hide” under states rights.

    3) In my opinion, what Romneycare forgets about is individual rights. There is a huge difference between individual rights and states rights.

    4) A special, thank you to P4A for allowing me to do what Romneycare doesn’t allow me to do.

  • 99Dual99Citizan99

    Ahead might mean behind. Yikes, I am running out of places. Wall are you still there?

  • section9

    I hope the fires are going down for the good people of Colorado.

    Looks like the Purges finally happened over at The Other Site. And a good thing, too.

    I want to see what Palin does about Obamacare going forward. That will tell me how active this cycle she intends to be.

    • Lipstick

       I wonder if I could actually post there without being called names & personally attacked? It has been many posts ago there since I have managed to do that.

  • blackbird

    Good morning everyone, Thanks for the news roundup Crueladev, I forwarded the clever link. How dumb are the Hallmark people, Dumb Dumbs.

  • blackbird

    Prayers for Bestbud. Keep strong my friend.

  • David Zimmerman

    This is my first post on this site since I have left the c4Romney (used to be c4Palin)site. I hope to find cheerful comments here. Sure looks like I was right. Keep up the half full comments.

    • Firelight

      We have the same rules as C4P and have actually had them longer so you see good healthy debate, lots of issues and ideas but we don’t attack each other, trash each other etc… It isn’t that hard to made a valid point and remain respectful.

      My main rule is that we don’t trash other Palinistas, other Palin sites or Gov. Palin herself.  Feel free to trash the liberals and Palingate/Mudflat people when they show up but chances are they will be deep sixed before any real action happens.

      I would appreciate it if you would not criticize C4P here.  They are our sister site and I see nothing productive coming from criticizing them.

      I understand that they are going thru some issues as we all post over there too but as with everything I believe that “this too shall pass”.

      Glad to see you here David!!  We are definitely a cheerful bunch.

      • Gelston

        one minute

        • Firelight

          LOVE IT!!!   LOL!

        • blackbird

          Thanks Gelston, that was great. My one minute turned into half an hour watching those loveable cartoons on the right hand side, I stopped after “I like to move it move it, I like to move it move it” LOL!

    • Freempg

      Hello David, at least you left by choice, lol.

  • Lipstick

    I have been so busy I have not watched the interviews the Guv gave after the SCOTUS ruling but hope to soon.

    Glad things are getting a little better in Colorado. Praying things get better and better there.

  • RefudiateGOPe

    Looks like P4A has somehow dodged a bullet (or maybe a lot of bullets) . 😉

    UPDATE: I spoke too soon.

  • Riley4Palin

    Afternoon All –

    How many times have we heard Palin in the last few months say, “Never put your trust in any one person because they will always disappoint you?”  I am not sure those were her exact words, but close enough.  She may have substituted politician for person in other interviews, but the message was there.  Are her supporters truly listening?  She is trying to reach you.  Stop living in fantasy land and listen to her words.

    Having said that, I don’t believe she handled the announcement of her not joining the Presidential race and events leading up to it with precise messaging either.  Her messaging was a bit mixed and some interviews prior to that were giving her supporters some hope that she would run.  I suppose you can look at that as she was just doing a job of any powerful politiican – create the interest, relay a message,and get your supporters passionate about that message. 

    Going forward and looking to the long term future, in my opinion, the biggest obstacle Palin has if she ever wants to run for higher office isn’t what the Dems will level against her. That will be seen as old news and bring lots of yawns to the masses.  It also won’t be what the GOP tries to do.  They have tried and failed and obviously with the success of the Tea Party, the GOP’s perception now is that they are full of lightweight squishies willing to compromise for the sake of their own party and principles.  How do we know this to be true?  Because Jeb Bush tried to sway public opinion in the last few weeks and was shut down by the Conservatives and the Tea Party when he thought bringing out the old bi-partisanship line was a good idea.  Next came CJ John Roberts who has forever damaged his image to all Conservatives by siding with the liberals one of the most crucial cases in our lifetimes.  Good luck trying to repair that perception Roberts!  Was it all worth it??

    The largest obstacle facing Palin down the road will be her own supporters.  Palin has been spending many months trying to change false perceptions that were created by the media and the GOP.  I think she is doing a great job changing some minds, but it will take some time.  The larger problem lies with real perceptions that are out there about some of her supporters and this alone could keep her away from ever running for higher office again.  All anyone has to do is highlight and print numerous posts at some Palin websites and see that some people don’t always live in reality.  Some supporters might think they are helping Palin and edging her closer to running for office again by their own relentless and sometimes obsessive campaigning, but it is doing the opposite.  Politics are all about perceptions and they will either help or hurt a candidate.  She made her decision last Oct and then followed with a press release.  She showed her cards about what she planned to do in the future and some of her supporters are still not listening to what she communicated to all of us.

    At this point, I am not sure she will ever run for President and I hope some of her supporters accept that decision.  To me, she seems to be having too much fun being un-shackled these days.  Case in point using the term ‘dingbat’ to describe the former Speaker of the House Pelosi grasping at straws to make the Democrat point of the Health Care Bill.  To me, it wasn’t so much that Palin used a pretty common term to many (I use dingbat all the time), but it was her straight face that makes her such a superb politician. That seriousness she used the other day carried much more weight than if she smiled or chuckled after she called her the term.  This is why the Dems and other GOP are so afraid of her.  She is willing to speak the truth and make it very compelling whereby it sways others to her way of thinking.  Could she pull this off if she were in office?  Probably not.  Is she doing more for our side by not having a title?  I believe so.  I love this Palin.  She is free to speak her mind all the time and not worry about getting whacked from all sides.  They can’t touch her and yet want to shut her up.  It is a win-win for Palin. 

    Palin’s focus is crystal clear.  It has been for some time.  Try and elect like-minded individuals with the same principles who are willing and able to make the changes necessary to help our country.  Palin knows never to count on any one individual to do those things.  It takes a team effort, because if you put all your eggs in one basket, you will always be disappointed.  At this point, Palin has accepted Romney because she knows anyone is better than Obama, but her focus now is solely on the Senate and Congress.  It isn’t necessary for her to do an all out endorsement (and she would never be forced by the media either) because she would be lying and everyone would know she wasn’t being sincere.   

    After the Supreme Court decision, the GOP is learning quickly that the Conservatives and Tea Party are steering the ship now.  How do we know this to be true?  Because if you listen to Boehner and McConnell’s messaging since Thursday, they are now all about repealing Obamacare and are not trying to sneak in some squishy message while pandering to us.  The GOPe is now on notice and they know it.  The same will be said for Romney.  Whatever happens down the road if he wins in November, he will know that we are watching him 24/7.  The minute he slips and thinks about being a John Roberts or Jeb Bush, he will be taken to the woodshed.  The days of playing nice are over when one thinks giving in to liberals is a good thing for our party.  We are at war.  Liberals always knew this was war and now the GOP better stay focused.

    • RefudiateGOPe

      You wrote:

      “Having said that, I don’t believe she handled the announcement of her not joining the Presidential race and events leading up to it with precise messaging either.  Her messaging was a bit mixed and some interviews prior to that were giving her supporters some hope that she would run.  I suppose you can look at that as she was just doing a job of any powerful politiican – create the interest, relay a message,and get your supporters passionate about that message.”

      Your opinion seems to be based on believing that she really didn’t have any intention of running.  How do you know that?  I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that she was considering it strongly and that once she made her decision, she announced it.  Too many people seemed to take the attitude that she didn’t have the right to decide not to run.

      Think about it.  She told us that she was looking at the lay of the land, that she was praying on it, and that once she made her decision, she’d let us know.  She did exactly what she said she’d do.  Am I wrong?  Just how do you think she should have handled it?

      • Riley4Palin


        I believe she was considering it strongly as well.  Personally, I believe many factors contributed to her not running besides family considerations, but that wouldn’t be something that would be confirmed by her camp.

        1)  The GOP getting behind Romney early on and not fully supporting her candidacy.

        2)  Michelle Bachmann and Rick Perry surprisingly entering the race.  Two Conservatives that at one point had strong supporters and could raise some good cash whereby it would limit her fundraising ability.

        I never said or implied that she didn’t have the right to decide not to run.  She did what any good executive would do.  She analyzed the entire situation and decided this wasn’t her time.

        My point was she was putting out messaging prior to and shortly after the announcement that left the door open.  Some of her supporters took those words and ran with them for months.  I believe that she tried to shut down that conversation, but it took on a message of its own and here we are today.  She is still saying today not to ever count on one person because they will disappoint you.  She keeps trying to shut it down and people are still not listening.

        For the record, I never thought she rented out space in Tampa to take over the convention and trump Romney, let alone announce her candidacy.  I honestly believe that info was leaked so that the GOP would take it upon themselves to invite her to speak at the convention in a prime spot. If they invite her, good for her, them, and all of us.  If they don’t give her a good speaking spot, she will make sure she makes news all by herself and become a bigger story in Tampa than what Romney or the GOP want.  It was well played.

      • Firelight

        I agree that I think she was running and at the 11th hour decided against it for reasons we will likely never know.

        I have come to feel that with all the passion and support Gov. Palin had, there was no right way to break it to us that she wasn’t running.  It was going to hurt no matter how she did it. 

        • Freempg

          The 11th hour indeed. I remember listening to Todd Palin on Bannon’s Victory Sessions the week before the announcement. He gave no indication the Governor would not run, in fact, the impression to the contrary.

        • Riley4Palin


          I’m not sure about the 11th hour, but it was a serious consideration nonetheless.  I agree that no matter how she was going to announce her decision, people would be disappointed.

          Which brings me to my next point.  I am highly disappointed in Conservative media people who supported the Governor at one time when they thought she was running and now completely act like they never knew her.  It is so wrong on so many levels. 

          The Governor would never show this to the public, but she is still human and a woman who has feelings.  That probably hurt her greatly and was never expected.

        • IsraeliCojones

          “for reasons we will likely never know.”

          Well, I hope she will tell us one day. Not that she owes us anything, but I really hope she will speak out…

          • Firelight

            me too IC…


          • blackbird

             I am sure one day it will be in the Palin Presidential Library :-)

      • section9

        At the risk of taking on the ire of people I deeply respect here, Palin’s 2011 Campaign of last summer was a fiasco, but it taught Palin valuable lessons. Understand something, Palin was going to run, but she backed herself into a political cul-de-sac from which she could not exit. This was her mistake and her mistake alone.

        1. Palin stayed out too long until the message that the GOP Establishment and Fox News Channel “Palin isn’t running” became a self-fulfilling prophecy. Meanwhile, the more seasoned Romney Campaign took advantage of a four month head start and a vast network of supporters within the GOP political and money apparat. Palin HAD moneyed support that we eventually saw go to Gingrich and Santorum, but it was nothing like Romney’s money.

        2. Palin’s eventual decision to stand aside was wise at that point in time. Had she entered that late, she would have been decisively defeated, both in Florida and in New Hampshire. What Romney did to Gingrich over the airwaves with negative ad rates running at a 100-1 clip of Romney to Gingrich would have been turned on Palin with telling effect. Not sure how it would have played out in Texas. Palin would have lost in California and New York. I’m just not seeing where all this money would have come from for Palin without any Establishment support and with so many institutional Republicans dead-set against her.

        3. Palin’s back-and-forth over the summer made her look indecisive. Romney, Gingrich, et al, had made this defining political decision shortly after the 2010 campaign. Romney, indeed, probably made it when he was still Governor of Massachusetts. If you’re going to run for President, you have to actually want the job and want to get in early and make the effort.

        That said, as Firelight remarked below, there was no right way to cut the chord with her supporters. She left a lot of good people in the field, especially the Iowa O4P. This outfit could be rebuilt for 2016 but will take some real affirmative action on Palin’s part before a lot of ordinary Palinistas recommit to such an effort again.

        Not everyone was as personally bitter and angry as was Tammy Bruce, but it will take some effort to rebuild the outfit.

        • RefudiateGOPe

           No matter how many times you keep repeating all that, it still doesn’t make it so.  Perhaps, one of these days she’ll write a book about it, and if your theories prove to be accurate, I’ll humbly accept your “I told you so’s”. 

          • section9

            With all due respect, I think that you are assuming that Palin is someone whose political judgment is infallible or close to it. We know that not to be the case, and were Palin here, she would probably agree with me.

            I suspect that she has made her share of mistakes, and learned from them. This is what I believe happened, and how she was kept out of the race by the much more experienced and connected Romney team. After all, it was they who got Florida moved up by two months late in September. It was Marco’s people who did this, to take advantages of the weakness on the ground of Romney’s opponents, especially Palin. I can tell you that O4P Florida was virtually non-existent down here. Meanwhile, Romney was flush with cash and media buys. Palin would have been annihilated down here, as Gingrich eventually was, if she had gotten in as late as she would have.

            People were laughing at the notion of a Palin campaign in late September. I will not forget Firelight’s famous post to C4P that probably lit a fire under a few asses, and probably got to Palin herself, about what a joke the notion of Palin 2012 had become in official Republican circles by that time.

            Palin did that to herself. No one else.

            • RefudiateGOPe

               I’ve never said that Palin’s political judgment is infallible.  I just think that your insistence that you have all the answers is a little arrogant.  I’m not an armchair quarterback nor a Monday morning quarterback.  You seem to be both.  Since none of us know why she did what she did and why she didn’t do what she didn’t do, I don’t understand your need to constantly puff up your self-avowed political acumen.  It is what it is.  Get over yourself.  And believe me, I write this with all due respect.  (Yeah, I know what “with all due respect” means)

              • blackbird

                I completely agree RO.

              • section9

                But I don’t have all the answers. I freely admit that. 

            • blerch

              You do bring up some interesting points, but I’m not sure I completely agree with your overall analysis on how Palin would have performed had she entered the race in October. 

              I think we can reasonably conclude she would have won Iowa.  She would have had a pretty good ground game because of the work O4P was doing in IA.  And, Rick Santorum won there.  One month before the caucuses, he was still not much more of an afterthought there.  Conservatives were clamoring for a non-Romney candidate.  If Santorum was able to pull off a win there, I think she would ahve been able to win there, as well. 

              She would not have won NH.  But, that would not have been a big deal, as it is in Mitt’s backyard, and she would not have heavily contested it.

              Then we move on to SC.  Again, I think we can reasonably conclude she would have won there.  Newt pulled out an impressive victory there, not because people loved Newt, but because they wanted to stick it to Mitt.  She would have had universal conservative support there.

              Now we look at FL.  It would have been tough, no question.  And, since you are there, you know the landscape better than I do.  However, she would have been in a much better position than Newt to take on Mitt.  Newt did not lose just because of the carpet bombing of ads.  He also self-destructed, as his is prone to do.  His debate performances leading up to the Florida primary were subpar, to say the least.  He also had baggage that Governor Palin simply does not have.  In additon, Newt was plagued by money problems throughout the entire campaign.  I’m not sure she would have had those same issues.  Newt also went back and forth between being tough Newt and nice Newt.  Governor Palin would not have taken Mitt’s crap, and she would have pushed back twice as hard as he did.  Would this have been enough for her to win in FL?  I don’t know.  But, she would have done better than Newt. 

              I have maintained that if she did sit this one out for political reasons, it was not because she didn’t think she could win the nomination.  It was because she realized that if she got the nomination, the GOPe was going to Goldwater her.  If she ran for the nomination and lost, she learns from  it, and can run again in the future.  If she got the nomination and lost the general, not only is her political career finished, but it sets the conservative movement back at least a decade.  

              • Firelight

                I actually think that if we blend your opinion with Section 9’s we might very well land really close to the truth but I doubt we will ever really know.

                • blerch

                  Yeah, unless she writes about it in a book someday, it will probably remain just between her and Todd.

              • section9

                You make some great points. Let me tell it to you from my perspective.

                I just didn’t see any Palin organization being built in Florida at all. If you aren’t building an organization in Florida to go with your media buys, you’re done. I think Mittens would have beaten Palin by a country mile in Florida had she got in in late October or some such nonsense, even had she won Iowa, which I think she would have.

                That said, people like Michelle and Peter had built a MONSTER organization in Iowa and I think could have won that state, even against His Mitness. But I think Gingrich’s ego would have blunted any Palin momentum in S.C., which is why all those Potemkin Village Cons were kept in the race by Romney and the GOP.

                Remember, Bachmann, Perry, and Santorum were basically there to drain the life out of any Palin candidacy and give Mitt a clear shot at the nomination. This is one of the reasons Palin didn’t run, imho. Romney concentrated fire on Newt to prevent him from growing into a serious rival. He would have done the same thing to Palin, and it probably would have worked.

                Negative ads work because too many voters are stupid enough to believe them and have the attention span of a common housefly. I knew at least one consultant here in Florida who PROBABLY would have been hired to run the negative black propaganda ads against Palin and would have run her right into the ground. It would have been relentless, merciless, and ugly, and if you aren’t prepared to fight back in kind and play that kind of game with Romney and the Bushes, don’t come to Florida.

                Florida has become the new “South Carolina” firewall for the Establishment. South Carolina used to be the Conservative Firewall used by the GOP to make sure that a Squishtard didn’t get the Nomination. However, after the Bushies took over the RPOF and made it Safe For Jeb, the party become less conservative and Reaganite and more “Republican/DC/Bushie”. That’s why it’s tough for Palin to win here unless she does the legwork in advance, builds the upfront organization, and buys the ad time.

                The reason why Marco Rubio is the Hispanic Golden Boy of the Florida GOP is because he’s Jeb’s Client and a GOP Organization Guy, not because he’s a genuine Reagan Conservative. He learned the rules up front. That’s why he became State House Speaker under Jeb and Crist. That’s why he became a U.S. Senator after Crist fell out with the GOP and the Bush Family.

                In my opinion, unless Palin is prepared to put in the effort down here and in other swing states, she needs to stay home. That will go for 2016 as well as for today. There IS no fair in this business. If she wants a national political future she needs to start building relationships with people downticket and give them a stake in Sarah Palin’s success. Right now, too many of these people see a downside in supporting Palin that leads to a frosty relationship with the national GOP. Palin needs to do more of the things to turn that around like she’s been doing since May. Victories (like Mourdock and Fischer, for example) count. Money talks, too. But Palin needs to be more assertive and on the hustings for Conservatives.

                Facebook notes are good. Presence is much, much better.

                • blackbird

                  imho the kind of bruising, slash and burn campaign Romney would have carried on against Sarah would have fractured the GOP. Would Sarah have carried on the kind of campaign you outlined, imho I think not, just look at her campaign in Alaska, would she have push back hard, yes but the kind of nasty Romney would have unleashed would have fractured the GOP especially if the Tea Party felt it had to step in and have a say. Just my 2 cents.

        • Firelight

          I do think you make some good points and I also think putting “in my opinion” before your post might be more helpful to others on the tone.

    • blerch

      Good post and I agreed with almost all of it except for your assertion that she may doing more for our side without a title.  She can do far more as POTUS than she can in the role she has now.  Yes, she can make a difference without holding office, but in order to make the kind of difference and implement the things she says we need, she will most likely have to do it while holding high office- namely the Presidency.  Whether or not she ever seeks that remains to be seen.  While most of us hope she does one day, I kind of come down on your side on this- I’m not sure it’s ever going to happen.

      • Freempg

        The Governor is the classic reluctant candidate. She is open to a brokered convention. If five states put her name in nomination, all bets would be off and she would not refuse the call to service.

        Many of us do not believe Romney can win, including most recently Rupert Murdoch, with the argument that our socialist is better than their Marxist. We need a clear distinction.

        I hope and pray everyday we have delegates with spine who will nullify the primary results, open the convention, and let the best man or woman win.

        • Riley4Palin


          I kindly disagree.  I never thought Palin was a classic reluctant candidate.  She is a strong independent woman who knows exactly what she wants and will go for it when/if the opportunity arises in the future.  If after a full analysis she finds that the time is not right, she would never risk her political future…….ahem Michelle Bachmann and Rick Perry….by entering a race that she wasn’t certain she could win giving what was the lay of the land at the time of consideration.

          There isn’t going to be a brokered convention.  She will not run at this time.  Romney will get the nomination.  She knows a hell of a lot more about politics…..20+ years than any of us do and I find it hard to believe she would risk everything just to put her name out there right now when she doesn’t have the full support of the party she represents.

          • Freempg

            The road to political obscurity is littered with politicians who have waited their turn. My point is only this: should a plurality of five state delegations put her name in nomination the deed would be done, whether she likes it or not. For that to happen there would clearly have to be a brokered convention. And if there were to be, she stated “all bets are off.” I don’t interpret that as anything other than she would serve if called. 

            Circumstances would clearly have to change, I am not delusional, but as the days go by, you will witness Romney make mistake after mistake. He is a miserable candidate against the left. A portion of the base will not turn out for him, whether any will admit it or not. The convention with Romney as nominee will serve as both a coronation and a wake.It will be painful to watch.

            With regards to full support of the party? Romney only has full support of the party apparat. Romney will not and cannot galvanize the base. He will not beat Obama. He is a recipe for disaster. I trust there will be delegates who agree, whether enough of them, we will have to wait and see.

    • Firelight

      You can’t see me but I’m giving you a standing ovation!!!  :)  Thank you!


       Riley, I would and do disagree with most of your post, but I’m feeling a little “posting-shy” and dread the ban.
      I will say this….If you truly think that the Conservatives and the Tea Party are “steering the ship” now, you couldn’t be more wrong.
      They can’t even get Mitt to say Obamacare is a tax, or say anything against Obama’s illegal/unconstitutional shenanigans, or say anything about Fast/Furious, or say anything about immigration, or say anything about Justice Roberts……or just plain say anything.

      BTW….if you think Boehner and McConnell are going repeal anything you’ll be waiting a long time. I don’t think either one of those guys have suddenly “grown a pair”….just saying.

      • Riley4Palin


        Keep reading my posts.  I don’t think this Eric Fehrstorm should be the message guy for the Romney campaign, especially after his comments today.  Of course they are going to have problems defending anything having to do with health care, but they should have been more prepared and had better messaging.  This has nothing to do with the Conservatives and TP, and everything to do with the Romney campaign.  This move today reminded me of the old Steve Schmidt days.  Wasting days and getting off message after the GOP has been pushing a tax message for four days.

        As for F&F, they held a contempt vote.  That is more than Boehner ever wanted in the first place.  He wanted it dropped earlier.  Any move is a good thing.  It will take some time to move these wimps from cowering daily to only cowering every few days. 

        As for Boehner and McConnell, they won’t ever be strong like Palin, but they can get on a more Conservative message by enough pounding.  Each day they are watching their own chosen candidates fall by the waste side and new fresh Conservatives are moving in to their long held territory.  This will indeed take some time, but its nice to know that things are moving in the right direction.

  • 99Dual99Citizan99

    “Mad as hel# and I’m not going to take it anymore. Warning: What you are about to read is personal opinion.

    Perhaps, Andrew Brietbart had it right when he called out the “men” and said something like, “What are you a bunch of Eunuchs?”

     Just paid a visit to the “sister site” and the site was attacking Exodus2011 and Brianus. I may not agree with everything that Exodus and Brianus say but I believe they are huge supporters of Sarah Palin. I ask the question, ” Where are these people supposed to go and feel “safe” if not to a Conservative site?” Whatever happened to common-sense?

     Maybe Breitbart had it right,” What are we, a bunch of Eunuchs?

    • RefudiateGOPe

       Please don’t drag that crap over here.  Pretty please?

    • Firelight

      Yes, I don’t want that dragged over here.

      We support our sister site. We support Palinistas. We all post on both sites so if anyone feels the need to enter that fray, they are welcome to do it over there since that is where it is at.

    • section9

      Please knock that stuff off and keep it out of here. 

      • John B. Hefmier

        section9  quote from earlier in the thread:

        “Looks like the Purges finally happened over at The Other Site. And a good thing, too.”

        This comment has no business being at P4A either.

        Will you take this comment back, like 99Dual took his comment back, later in the thread?

        For the record, BOTH your comment and 99Duals comment were inflammatory.

        • section9

          Point taken. I’ll withdraw the comment now that the deed is done over there. 

  • Kal Vernon

     Conservatives to Mitt: Quit Now If You Won’t Fight Obamatax!

    “The Obama campaign has seized on remarks made by Romney adviser Eric
    “Etch-A-Sketch” Fehrnstrom this morning on MSNBC, to the effect that
    the individual mandate in Obamacare (and Romneycare) is not a tax.
    Fehrnstrom allowed Chuck Todd to push him off message–and re-ignited
    the fears that conservatives have long had about Romney’s will and
    ability to fight. In response, conservatives–who had just coalesced
    around opposition to what many now call “Obamatax”–exhort: Mitt, start
    fighting, or give up and let someone else do it.”

    • Firelight

      I saw this!  It will go in my roundup tomorrow with ever sooooo much snark!!  

      • section9

        THIS has got me ROYALLY pissed off. This guy Fehrnstrom has got Mitt off-message and, hopefully, will ignite a conservative revolt.

        One of the reasons I’m a little concerned about Palin not speaking up more than she has is because of the need to keep driving the Store Mannequin to the right and keep him there. If she and others (like DeMint, etc) don’t, Mittens will cave and won’t campaign on the issue. The guy is weak sauce.

        • Firelight

          I think she, DeMint and others will speak up but I also think they are pacing themselves and thinking thru the best way to do it.  We have a big battle ahead.  Taking a few minutes to think about how best to put ole Mittens back in his place without providing sound bites to the liberals is acceptable in my book.


          • Bill589

            Maybe it is because my extended family has been involved in GOP politics in New England and upstate New York for over a century, but it is just ingrained in me that Mitt governed Massachusetts as a statist, and you can’t trust a word he says. (And I felt this way before the E-A-S comment.)

            I stand with Sarah Palin, and I will follow my leader. But I am concerned that our ‘ABO’ is barely any better than ‘O’; they governed similarly.

            If we’re right about Mitt, and he wins the presidency, it is still of major importance that we take the legislative branch this year. I can’t put any faith in Mitt doing the hard, right things, as president for the next 4 or 8 years. He never did that as governor.

        • narciso

           Well it is, what he really believes, and the candidate as well, One of the Conde Nast ‘kitty litter’ publications, had a glowing profile of him,

    • Riley4Palin

      I can’t figure out this Eric Fehrnstrom character, but all I know is he should stay behind the scenes from here on out.  This is strike two for him on bone-headed messaging and another wasted day for the Romney campaign.

      How loyal is Romney to this guy when he isn’t helping move the ball forward?

  • 99Dual99Citizan99

    I am sorry, as I didn’t mean to bring that “crap” over here. Thank you for allowing me to continue to express, my “point of view.” A “special thanks” to RefudiateObama2012 for using the term “pretty please. Thank you for being so sensitive, RefudiateObama2012. Just wanted to try and put your mind at “ease” and to thank you for “putting me in my place” in such a sensitive manner.

    • Firelight

      We love you here :) 

      We try really hard to remember that we don’t all agree on everything but respectfulness and common courtesy are basics of civilized behavior and what I think separates us from liberals.

      I really am proud of this board as I feel it is proof that we can all differ and still be adults. No viewpoints get censored as long as the dialogue is respectful and someone isn’t a liberal troll.  We have enough battles to fight, we don’t need to fight each other.

      • 99Dual99Citizan99

        Thank you so much for the very fair response, Firelight. I especially like the last sentence.”We have enough battles to fight, we don’t need to fight each other.”

  • Lipstick

    I too believe Palin handled her flirtation with running and announcing her decision poorly. I understand you have to float balloons and all that jazz, but my main complaint is she waited to long to announce she was a no go.

    She needed to fish or cut bait much sooner than she did.

    During the bus tour I wondered if she would run, it seemed Piper was not having a good time at all and I wondered if Palin would put her through a long campaign.

    Speaking as a mom of a child close in age to Piper, I would make that a top priority as children that age are forming how they will relate to family during the roller coaster teenage years at that time. 5-9th grades are times to be on top of things with kids before they hit 16. (Note that you have to be on top of things until they are in their 30’s as well ;0  ) I can see Palin not wanting to be away from AK during that time in Piper’s life. They say (I will let you know soon since the boy is off to 7th grade this fall) as soon as those kids enter into Middle School in 7th grade thay turn into surly strangers, you must be diligent to keep that from happening.  Just my 2 cents.

    I cannot see the rational to wanting Obama over Romney if you are a Conservative. As I have said time and time again, Obama said to our enemy he would be “more flexible” after the election as it would be his last election. If that doesn’t run chills up your back after all the bowing he has done all over the world while not being “flexible”; I don’t know what will.

    A Romney wanting to be elected in 2016 is a much safer bet than a batcrap crazy marxist not worried about fooling anyone ever again to be elected.

    In the meantime, I am enjoying Palin’s unshackledness! I am still secretly hoping she goes rogue and jumps in the 2014 AK Senate race. My microwave can’t pop enough popcorn for Palin and Murk being the two Senators from AK.

    • John B. Hefmier

      I was, ORIGINALLY, upset with the way Sarah made that announcement.  Were there better ways for her to announcement?  Perhaps.  However, I can think of it this way: at least she did not make an announcement, a la Huckabee. 

    • Riley4Palin


      My gut says Piper and the other girls were on board (feisty and independent like Mom), but it could have been her older son that wasn’t too keen on this right now.  This is all pure speculation on my part (what else do we do here anyway), but like I said above, I don’t think it was all because of family either. 

      I’m with you on the rational about Romney over Obama.  He is the last one standing and we can either get on board or not.  He ran his race and the others couldn’t close the deal and he beat all of them.  Palin never ran so it is pointless to pin our hopes on anyone else.

    • WilliamShipley

      I thought the turning point was the bus tour and Piper’s reaction.  Having Piper with her was really important to her in 2008 and when that didn’t seem to work, the tour ended rather abruptly not to get going again.  Frankly I think she should have declared that she intended to run early, even if she said it was too early to be an ‘official’ candidate.

      • TENCOLE

         What ever happened happened after that bus tour…….jury duty?!?…seriously?!?

        • Whitney Pitcher

          Maybe I’m misunderstanding your comment, but you seem to be indicating that she made up the jury duty justification. Do you really think she would do that, especially with how much the media digs into to her every move? 

          She wrote a Facebook post indicating why there was a break in the bus tour, and she noted that she had jury duty. Perhaps she could have just said she was taking a break from the bus tour with indicating a specific reason, but if she had jury duty she couldn’t leave, even though I’m sure with who she was she would never be picked for a trial. 

    • DeeDEEthree

      Sarah said at the Extraordinary Womens Conference soon after her announcement that she wasn’t running that she had gotten some pretty mean e-mails she said come on you trust me to be the leader of the free world but you don’t trust me to make the decision that GOD led me to make at this time.

      I think she wanted to run intended to run.Sarah always prays and seeks GODS guidence for her life and as she said GOD led her to that decision I think that is all it was.

  • blackbird
  • Bill589

    Sarah Palin is the one potential candidate that had to run against both Parties just to win the nomination of one party.

    My problem with the sister site I love is that, IMO, I get attacked for telling the truth about our enemy that has attacked us nonstop for years. The GOPe.  And maybe it’s because I’m a New Englander, but I feel Mitt can not be trusted at all, about anything.

    Both parties are evil. The GOPe appear more desperate because, while we want to beat the Dems in an election, we want to reform the GOP which means in part getting rid of the current GOPe.

    I see the Dems as the more imminent danger, and the GOP as the more eventual danger, but besides that – they are equally as evil and dangerous to our constitutional republic.

    I’ve been praying asking for wisdom about this.
    Is it our only choice to beat one devil by pairing up with another devil?

  • Whitney Pitcher

    I think in all of this we have to remember that hindsight is 20/20, and we aren’t privy to all that went into Governor Palin’s decision. 

    To me, she seemed undecided, but perhaps leaning towards a run until an interview with Greta in late September. In that interview, she seemed to be concerned about being “shackled” by running. I don’t think she was ever intentionally trying to lead anyone on that she was running. Neither her language, nor her actions unequivocally indicated she was running, though I think perhaps the announcement and same day SarahPAC video could have been rolled out a little differently.

    Overall though, I’m not even a 4 year observer of politics, so I’m in no place to really say too much about political strategy or messaging.

    I’m just glad she’s still out there making her voice be heard loud and clear and effective!

    • Bill589

      She would be the only candidate that would have to run against both major parties.

      I believe that had something to do with her decision.

      • blackbird

        I agree Bill, when Sarah said “she is not for sale”, there was a reason why she said that and then the unshackling comment on Greta was too similar, but November is coming :-)

    • blackbird

      I am here looking through my C4P image folder Whitney and you are in quite a bit of the photos along with O4P folks, you are right there at the first Palin meet up, Wisconsin I & II and posing with the Governor, you might feel “I’m in no place to really say” but I beg to differ Whitney, you are the exact person whom I want to hear from, along with all the other folks on the front lines.

      God Bless and protect all who support and defend Sarah Palin and her family.

  • blackbird

    For all the late nite Blues Guys and Gals, Walter Trout – Dust my broom:

  • MickieMaloney

    When Sarah first announced she was not seekin the GOP nomination, I was so disheartened. I couldn’t imagine how she could truly be effective withot the title we all so desperately wanted (and still DO want) her to have.

    But watching her the last couple months, and especially this last month, I realize she IS much more powerful without the “shackle” off that title. She can say things and go places, speak places she would not be able to do as either the GOP nominee or as POTUS. She can say it exactly as it is…as only Sarah can, truthful and sharp. She doesn’t have to wear the veil of diplomacy over her words.

    As much as I want her as President, I think we all must make the sacrifice to have her more of a Thomas Payne of our day. And we can all continue to pray the Lord will see fit to grant us the day we will see her take the oath of office over a renewed and restored America!

    • poljunkie

      I agree. 
      The Gov is making a huge difference. 
      She’s having a major impact and influence (without a title), and she’s calling her own shots.She’s also able to live her life, and take the time to enjoy her family, and pretty much do whatever she wants. Sounds like win- win to me. Im not so selfish that I “need” her to do what I originally wished her to do.

  • narciso

    Evening all, it’s a little more simple than that, during the bus tours, myriad interviews, she seems to
    suggest the idea,that she sees herself as a vessel, for sentiments like the Tea Party’s, but without that desire for the office.  I think specially since Tucson, she saw that those she had vouched for,
    practically all fell silent, and not a few stepped over her, on the way to their own campaigns, In retrospect, I think the McGuinness attack, even though it was defused, did affect her, at a fundamental way.

    • Bill589

      I agree. I was sure the many people, like Bachmann and Perry, whom she had went out of her way to politically help, would reciprocate her support for them when they needed it.

      In all the political ways, but also on a personal level, I believe they disappointed her badly.

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