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Not A Tax? Tuesday

Morning everyone!

So is it a tax or a mandate? Well it seems that the only opinion that counts is that of Justice Roberts.  Too bad so sad Obamaney (that’s slang for Obama and Romney).  It appears that your opinions don’t matter.

So was Roberts right?  Yes, the only way it would be legal to implement any type of national insurance program would be via a tax, similar to our FICA tax which stands for Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax.  I don’t agree with such a tax but it would be within the powers of the federal government.  So why was Roberts also wrong?  Because it wasn’t his job to rewrite the bill to make it constitutional. That job belongs to Congress.

But what about Mittens?  Well, I wildly disagree with the mandate concept but States do have a right to do that. They mandate liability car insurance so health insurance isn’t a stretch.  I don’t agree with it but it is within the right of a state to do and it is very different than the federal government, however, regardless of what Mittens says, it is also a tax.  I think it is silly for him to try and spin it.  I get that he doesn’t want to be associated with raising taxes but we Americans aren’t stupid. He looks ridiculous trying to play semantics.  A State has the right to issue a mandate or a tax so Mitt’s constitutionality isn’t at issue (I’m pretty sure MA doesn’t have a TABOR law as MA loves its taxes). Mitt also was upfront with his state legislature so there was no funny business used to get his bill passed.  So while his bill is bad law, it is drastically different from Obama’s bill which is also very bad law.

This is exactly what conservatives have been trying to warn the GOP about.  On healthcare, Mitt is weak and a hypocrite.  Mitt needs some new advisers and he needs them yesterday.  Healthcare is a bad issue for him but not an impossible one.  I agree with Pollak, Mitt either needs to fight or step aside for someone who will. Joel also is smart on what Romney should have said…


OK, housekeeping, I would like to respectfully remind everyone that we do not trash Gov. Palin, other Palin sites including C4P and other Palinistas.  We can disagree with each other but it needs to be respectful.  I also do not want arguments, dramas or complaints regarding C4P or something that happened on C4P brought over here.  That just isn’t fair and it isn’t healthy. I understand the frustrations, I really do but it is not productive and serves no purpose to rehash things here with people who are not involved.

Also, please keep in mind that some people are not what they seem and there is usually much, much more to a story than what is seen on the surface.

Lastly, we are not liberals.  Liberals follow the “if it feels good, do it” and “if I think it, say it” philosophy in life. They whine and complain about their rights particularly their right to be a jerk, they complain about free speech on private property and censorship of their insulting comments.  Apparently they feel they can be rude, belittling, insulting and if you don’t sit and take it, you are violating their rights. What about the other person’s right to not listen, to leave or ask you to leave?  Liberals make demands, they do not have self-restraint, self- discipline or civility in them.  They are led by their emotions and are stuck in a perpetual adolescent protest phase.  Just watch what happens when they don’t get their way.  As my parents used to say: they are “ready, fire, aim”.

Conservatives used to take pride in their measured restraint. We understood that freedom isn’t free and just because you want to say it or do it doesn’t mean you should or that it is right.  We recognized private ownership and behaved civilly.  We used reason, logic and facts to argue our points not name calling, rude, disrespectful, insulting, whiny, bully style behavior.   We followed the “ready, aim, then fire” philosophy.

Could we please remember that?  I think we do a great job here and I am proud of everyone but I am also disheartened to see so many conservatives acting like liberals these days.  I know we are better than that.  That doesn’t mean we can fight the good fight or defend ourselves but we have always done it intelligently and respectfully.

Please remember that every blog or Facebook page on the internet belongs to someone. 99% are private so protesting about free speech or censorship is simply juvenile.  To attack the mods or owners of a site you don’t have ownership in is something a liberal would do and it’s wrong.  A private blog has the right to decide their own rules and what can and can’t be said. The beauty is that if you really want to say whatever you feel like saying, you can have your own blog.  Otherwise, if you are posting on someone else’s blog, the right thing to do is follow their rules. It’s their house.

OK, I’m taking my soap box now and I’m off to take my kids to the dentist.  I can now be on everyone’s crap list today, lol!



Did everyone catch this tweet?

He did… and he agrees…

Did I say how much I agree with this?…  I don’t think I can say it enough…

Damn straight it’s betrayal

Largest tax increase on the middle class EVER

Yeah, stinky cheese

This one bites the dust…

Yeah… what he said

Yes! I want a pink one!

Why did the chickens cross the road?… to get away from the cameras…

No honey…

Oh yeah, he went there

You have thunder?  as in thunder thighs? or thunder down under?…  sorry Elliot but I’m just not seeing it…

Yes, they should be treated with respect

Reeaaally?... wait a minute… yep, just checked… I’m still a woman and guess what?…  I usually vote Republican…

Me likey this

I question the results… seriously who would vote for Rangel?

And this is why we hate you…

If they had planted it here in CO it would be legal, of course it would have likely caught on fire last week and given new meaning to rocky mountain high… but that’s another story…

I don’t think McConnell got the memo

Be in it to win it or don’t waste our time and tax dollars…

Let’s be honest… the kid is 17 years old… he isn’t a liberal… he wants to get laid and being a Republican just isn’t sexy to 17 year old girls…

Uh Oh… this won’t be good for them…

Justice jellyfish


Excellent by Bill!


Have a great day everyone!  Don’t forget to watch Bristol’s show tonight.

  • Crueladev

    Good Tuesday Morning P4A Kids…

    I would like to respectfully agree with Firelight.  Many of us LEFT “other sites” because we LEARNED to respect others.  Please don’t bring the crap here!  You will find that we are a fun group with strong opinions that tend to DISCUSS “said” opinions…and NOT attack other’s for their opinions. Afterall…Opinions are like Assholes..we all have one and they all amount to the same thing!

    Okay…that being said….
    Happy Birthday to Betty Buckley!  Yes I am a closet Betty Buckley Fan!  My God does that woman have a set of pipes on her or what!
    Drove down to NM a few years ago to watch her perform. Met her backstage. UNREAL! If you know me..I really don’t get into the fan worship…I just enjoy rich talent!  She has least for me!  Glenn Close..Never Came Close!

    Seems things are getting back to normal here.  You all have a good day.  I am going to go see a dentist…I have a bad tooth.  I almost yanked it myself!  I still may!  Apparenty it seems I need to eat at some point…so a dentist it is. ACK!! What bunch of Horse Crap….Hate Doctors! Except for Dr. G…(Gelston)… :)

    • Riley4Palin

      Cru is a Betty Buckley groupie?!  God help us all if you ever run into Betty Buckley and Todd Palin at the NYC theatre.

      Me….became a fan of Betty Buckley when she was on “Eight is Enough” back in the day. 

  • LS as guest

    Good morning.  I’m not sure what to make of that Murdoch tweet.  Is he really just begging for a higher-quality staff–or are the national GOPe types like Rove complaining that they can’t infiltrate Romney’s MA GOPe gang?

    It would be easier to envision the former had I confidence that there were top-tier political operatives within the GOP at all.

    Oh, and no Palin fan will be surprised to learn that the nomination and confirmation of CJ Roberts apparently had Schmidt all over it.

    • mark1955

      The Bushies HAVE already infiltrated MITTEN’S “MA GOPe gang” as far back as 2008 to be exact. In 2008,the Bushies planted Matt Rhoades inside of MITTEN’S campaign as one of his top aides. Rhodes along with best bud Steve Schmidt’s,was in charge of oppo research ( Dirty tricks )  for George W.Bush’s 2004 re-election campaign. Rhoades was also the RNC’S officcial outreach person to Matt Drudge. That’s why you saw the spate of headlines attacking Newt Gingrich on Drudge just as Newt was catching fire. Rhoades is basically in charge of MITTEN’S operation here in Boston. I assume Rhoades is there to sink MITTEN’S campaign at the appropriate time,if he starts showing signs of being able to beat Obama. He would do this by offering not so helpful advice. No one can be allowed to get in Jebbies way.

      • Bill589

        The worse thing about studying politics, is learning about the politics involved in things other than doing their politician’s job of serving the people. All this might be for Jeb Bush? And all they’ve done against Sarah and us?

        It does say something about how bad Obama is if we have to side with these scumbags to defeat him.

        I really hope ‘12 is the last time I’m asked to stand with the Roves of our country.
        I believe that it is he and they that are not worth snot.

  • 99Dual99Citizan99

    Thank you for another great post Firelight. Here in Canada, we have a bumper sticker that says,” Tax me, I’m Canadian.”

  • Crueladev

    Hug a Fireman!  I know this neighborhood like I know the back of my hand.  When and if they tell you to go..GO!  This was an absolutetly horrifc day for our city…2 lives lost…and the only known fire fighter injuries were because of altitude sickness.   The couple that was lost were elderly..and there is no report as to why they did not leave.

    You may ask why I post this and why you should give a rat’s ass…Well on the local news…I watched our Fire Chief come out in tears and apologize for the homes they could not save. It absolutely broke my heart as he claimed “failure”….It was not Failure…it was a group of HEROES and there is NO NEED for Apology. We will grow from this! We have a strong Community! Proud!

    This will be my last real report on this…but I am exhausted, and heartbroken…and stunned in amazement as to this community.  The canyon just west of me is still closed as for fear of more fire…or arson fire. 1 million pounds of food was collected via Care and Share.  That will feed 500,000 meals for those in need.  Animals were taken in..and cared for.  We still have a refugee dog.  Being a native of Colorado Springs…It will be hard to look upon the hillside and see burnt trees…especially knowing this could be the work of an arsonist.  Likewise…I am of the same opinion…Hug a Fire Fighter..or Police Officer…Shoot a Looter!  Hug your neighbor!

    Pray for those lost on the C-130 today in South they moved from this fire to that fire.  The Pilot died in the crash. We are now down to 7 C-130’s and crew to fight these wild land fires…Thanks to Obama and his cuts!  Not wishing to make this political but truth is truth!

    • senator20526

       Cru…The Arizona Jaycees, headed by a local Yuma gal, is collecting food and clothing for the Colorado fire victims….every little bit will help…..

  • Crueladev

    That front page photo btw…is just wrong!  Flo cares! 😉

    • Firelight

      and she can get you a discount on your car insurance :)

      • Bill589

        I’m afraid she only sells progressive insurance.
        We would want a more commonsense-constitutionalist insurance, IMHO.

  • Pete Petretich

    —>>>Road music for our journey to Tampa, Florida!—>>>

    Palinista Jukebox (Version 3.71)

    “B.B. King & Stevie Wonder – The Thrill Is Gone”

    “Ulali: Wah Jhi Le Yihm”

    “Gretchen Wilson: Redneck Woman”

    “Kelly Clarkson – Stronger (What Doesn’t Kill You)”

    “Elvis: A Little Less Conversation”

    “Carly Simon: Nobody Does It Better”

    “Jackson Browne: Running on Empty”

    “Heart: Barracuda”

    “Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: American Girl”

    “Sarah Palin: Ride”

    “Rascal Flats: Life Is A Highway”

    “Suzy Bogguss: Drive South” 

    “B.B. King: Better Not Look Down”


    “Sarah Palin: America”

    “Enya: May it be”

    “Krista Branch: I Am America”

    “Sarah Palin: One in a Million”

    “Sarah Palin: The World’s Greatest”

    “Nancy Sinatra: These Boots Are Made For Walkin”

    “Suzy Bogguss: Outbound Plane” 

    “Lisa Mei and Big Dawg: Change You Won’t Regret”

    “Here Comes the Sun: A Tribute to George Harrison by Paul Simon, Crosby and Graham Nash”

    – – – – – 

    “At the convention anything can happen!” —Jim Taylor, party boss; 4 minutes 20 seconds into the film.

    “Mr. Smith Goes To Washington (1939), Full Movie”

    If this primary season ever gets you down then I recommend watching this hilarious film, which is one of Sarah’s favorites! Every Palinista needs to see it at least once. The film contains many clues about what has happened in the past few years, AND about what’s going to happen on the road to Tampa…

    “Sarah Palin About Open Convention – Anything is Possible!”

    – – – – –

    “Jeff Beck & Sting – People Get Ready”

    “I made it”

    “Elvis Costello: Pump It Up”

    “The Lady Who Can Make the Sun Shine”

    “Ry Cooder, Wim Wenders, Sam Shepard: Paris, Texas et. Al.”

    “Shania Twain: She’s Not Just A Pretty Face”

    “Marhta Reeves: Wild Night”

    “Minstrel Boy: Closing Credit Music from The Undefeated”

    “Johnny Kahn: American Heart”

    “Dolly Parton: Nine to Five”

    “Notre Dame Bagpipe Band: The Minstrel Boy”

    “Crazies for Sarah Palin Hey Hey”

    “Krista Branch: Can You Hear Us Now?”

    “Natasha Bedingfield: Pocketful of Sunshine”

    “Van Morrison: Someone Like You”

    “Stevie Wonder: Isn’t She Lovely?”

    “Eagles and Travis Tritt: Take it Easy”

    “Jackie Wilson & Company: Higher and Higher” 

    “Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska (FULL MOVIE)”

  • BostonBruin

    Good morning!

    “What would happen if we took our places and played our parts? If we played the music the Maestro gave us to play? If we made his song our highest priority? … Talk about a healthy shift. Life makes sense when we accept our place. The gift of pleasures, the purpose of problems – all for Him.”

    America By Heart, pages 253-254

    • Riley4Palin

      Excellent quote!

  • blackbird

    Good morning everyone. Excellent news roundup Firelight, thanks. the “Largest tax increase” link I bookmarked for reference.

    Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax – Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS).

    Was that Frank Luntz running down the chickens with his video camera? LOL!

    How in the world can you pass a bill without knowing what it is you are passing, that is insane.

    Mitch McConnell should retire if he believes odds are against repealing Obamacare, but this quote from the movie Green Latern by Kilwog applies: “The bigger you are, the faster you burn”

  • Gelston

    When I was young, I was born in Massachusetts (yes, that is a joke). I fled to the west coast and Wa State in 1978 at age 28, leaving most of my family there to fend for themselves.
    My brother, G-d bless him, was an orthopedic surgeon. He married one of the most liberal ladies I have met in my life. If I had married her, I could not have lived as long as he did. But that is a story for another day.
    The Commonwealth of the Baked Bean State has state owned and managed malpractice insurance for physicians.About 1990 my brother paid $250,000 to cover one year. At the end of the year, the Commonwealth came back to him and told him that they underestimated his insurance and that he owed an additional $250,000.
    This is not a what-if story. This happened to my brother. When the state runs an enterprise, they operate under their own rules. 
    I know you people are against Obamacare. But gosh, if you can’t tell a scary story on the 4th of July, when can you tell one? Halloween? That’s true.

    Sarah resigned 3 years ago today. A lot has happened.
    It will be a lovely 75 degrees here today.
    Stay out of the heat.

    • Bean Counter

      I had a physician client, an OB/GYN, who was in private practice. Handling his business finances was a real eye-opening experience. His malpractice insurance was absolutely breathtaking! It was his single biggest monthly expense, and ultimately drove him out of private practice. He wound up moving out of state to join a group practice. He was certainly busy enough, had all the patients he could comfortably handle, but his overhead, and particularly the malpractice insurance, took him down. Nice guy and a good doctor. Scary to think how many others this has happened to.

      • section9

        I knew a Doctor once who lived in Miami.

        He absolutely REFUSED to carry malpractice insurance. He understood the racket.

        He was never, ever sued.

      • senator20526

         This is a story that can be told all over the country in every state many times…..sad, but true.

    • Firelight

      I remember growing up that my dad turned down a huge promotion because it would have required us to move to MA.  He called it taxachusetts, lol!   He said it would not have been worth it in the end.

      It amazes me that the people of MA keep voting these people in and keep voting for higher and higher taxes.

      • section9

        You had a very smart father.

        • Firelight

          Yes, I think so :)

      • hrh40

        People in NE call MA, TAXachusetts!

        And Connecticut will soon be known as ConnectiTAX. Cuz they sure never “cut” anything … :(

    • Whitney Pitcher

      Wow. Malpractice insurance is such a burden, especially for surgeons and OB/GYN doctors. Democrats will never address tort reform because of how much campaign funding they receive from ambulance chasers.

      A few years ago, the Illinois Supreme Court declared that malpractice award limits were unconstitutional because they said it meant that the legislature was overstepping their powers and stepping into the judicial arena. I think that is wrong interpretation of our state constitution, and it is not good for doctors here in the state.

    • mark1955

      There’s very little i can say to defend my home state. Nor do i have any inclination to do so. Saying that,we at least gave this Country my fellow masshole paisan,Joe Arpaio.Also, Sarah drew 9,000-13,000 attendees,to a speech here on the Boston Common in April 2010,when the previous January,Obama barely drew 1,000 while campaigning against Scott Brown,2 days before the special election. We also would have had a repub Governor elected in 2010,if the state treasurer,Tim Cahill,hadn’t left the dem party and run to the right of the repub candidate. He was a ‘Staliking Horse’ for dem Governor Deval Patrick. If it wasn’t for Cahill,the repub would have won in a landslide. Also,i see almost no Obama sticker’s here in Greater Boston. We have a long way to go,but i don’t feel we are in California territory yet, but it does suck here.

      • LS as guest

        Actually, isn’t there an outside chance of a GOP senator and two GOP congressmen up there in MA this year?

        Pretty good considering you’ve got the highest Moonbat ratio outside of certain counties in California.

        • mark1955

          Yes. Scott Brown will be re-elected inspite of the push polling numbers you here and read about for Elizabeth Warren. She’s a human gaffe machine who has made Scott Brown look stable and competent in comparison ( I’m no Scott Brown fan ). Also in the 4th congressional district,Barney Frank’s seat is up for grabs. Carpet bagger,Joe Kennedy , has moved in the district to run as the dem. That’s a possible pick-up for the repubs as the last several terms,Barney Franks ‘Irrascibility’ was finally wearing thin. Kennedy might beat the repub,but the bloom is long since been off the rose for that family. Not sure what the other one is?

  • Whitney Pitcher

    Romney doesn’t want to call it a tax because that indicts him on taxes too because of what he did in MA. Especially now that the primaries are over, he realizes that the faux federalism argument isn’t going to work. It never really worked because while it was a state program, it was a big Medicaid expansion. The Medicaid expansion plus those on Medicare meant that Romneycare was federally funded by somewhere around 40%. Plus, Romneycare was proven to increase the length of time it takes to get an appointment. It’s not sustainable from a personnel perspective.

    Is a mandate a tax? No, I think SCOTUS rule incorrectly and re-wrote the law. However, we do have to accept their definition and go with. Romney wants to have it both ways. I think it puts both campaigns in a tight spot.

    The car insurance mandate is completely different because you’re not mandated to have a car, and you’re generally only required to pay liability–when you hit someone else. A health insurance mandate is a “tax” on simply being alive. There is no choice given. This is where I really have issues with the ruling. There is a possibility that Obamacare gets repealed, but the SCOTUS decision won’t be repealed. I saw some tweets that indicated that Mark Levin mentioned this on his show. This ruling sets a bad judicial precedence where the federal government can mandate anything and require a tax for not complying, and they’re pretty much covered by the SCOTUS ruling.

    • Firelight

      I agree that he is looking silly playing the semantics game because we all know that is what he is doing.

      I only used the car insurance example because back when it was first implemented, people challenged it and the courts said that states had the right to mandate something. However, just because they can, doesn’t mean they should.  I remember when Romney passed Romneycare.  His major point was that there was only a minimum insurance requirement to cover major medical in case of accidents etc… so that the people of MA would not be stuck footing the bill for uninsured ER visits.  He said that more comprehensive coverage was available at additional costs but a minimum was required.

      I know that the state of MA made big changes in 2008 and 2010 but I don’t really know what those changes were.

      Yes, even if Congress repeals Obamatax, the SCOTUS ruling still stands.  I don’t agree with the ruling but at this point, I’m not aware of any process that can be used to challenge a SCOTUS decision other than starting over again in the court system.

      • Whitney Pitcher

         I hope I didn’t seem critical of you using the car insurance example. I just brought it up because those who support the mandate use it–even though it’s an apples to oranges comparison. You’re right. It’s a big issue over “can” and “should” when it comes to governmental powers.

        I’m probably too much of an Eeyore over the SCOTUS decision, but the judicial precedence thing is what bothers me the most, especially since there’s not anything that can be done if such laws are passed. However, it is our hands to elect people and hold such people accountable to not even go there in the first place.

        • Firelight

          No worries, I was typing late and should have expounded on the fact that Mitt used that argument too and  then I read some court cases from years ago that basically said states had that right.

          I was trying to link that into the idea that once a state (or Federal) is given that right they never lose it.  That sets up the power fight between those that “can” and those that believe we “should not”.

          It was late, lol!! 

          I’m with you on the judicial precedence thing.  I have wondered if we will ever have another SCOTUS ruling where they don’t re-write some of the law instead of an up and down straight vote.  I see Robert’s move as changing the very function of our enumerated powers forever and there is no one to hold them accountable or appeal to.

      • LS as guest

        It’s a mandate for a driving rights privilege.

    • LS as guest

      You’ve pegged it perfectly, WP!

      (And you’re on to Mittens, for sure.)

    • Bill589

      I’m starting to hate the high value put on ‘precedence’.

  • Bean Counter

    Howdy y’all. Hope everyone is staying cool. We got a break from the record-breaking temps yesterday and actually had a little rain. Nashville broke a record that had stood since 1952, which begs the question, was global warming the cause then? And while I’m at it, what caused the ice age to melt? Al Gore isn’t returning my phone calls.

    I didn’t think it was possible to be more depressed over the presidential election, but I managed to sink about 2 floors lower, over Romney’s ‘principled’ stand/response to the SCOTUS decision. And I’m not at all confident that Congress will actually repeal Obamatax. I have a friend/client who is a very well connected political consultant/lobbyist. He has said repeatedly, after the bill was initially passed, and again after Roberts declared the media as the 4th branch of gov’t, with check and balance authority over SCOTUS, that Congress will not repeal it. The lobbyists who are invested in the Obamatax law are pouring obscene amounts of campaign money to Congresspukes, who will not give it up. He told me several GOP House members said it to his face. A vote to repeal in the House will be nothing more than symbolic, as the Senate, in its current configuration, will not follow suit. A ‘new’ Congress in November will help, and taking the Senate will help, but ultimately, it’s gonna be an uphill battle to get this horror overturned. I’m not confident. But, anything can, and does, happen, so I guess we’ll have to see.

    Loved the Gov’s interviews, and her passion and fortitude against this assault on the Constitution and freedom. At least she’s not afraid of taking a principled stand. And yes, Pelosi is a dingbat, and a few other things that I won’t say in polite company.

    Trying to recover from a lost weekend with 5 college friends, 4 of whom I hadn’t seen in over 20 years. They gathered in Nashville, so I had to play tour guide, which I actually enjoy, if the tourists are fun and pleasant, but the best way I can describe this group is like the goobers from Animal House with menopause, early onset dementia, and constant drama. I’m absolutely exhausted.

    Saw ‘Magic Mike’ on Saturday. Nice eye candy for the ladies, but the plot was boring, depressing and didn’t make a lot of sense. Matthew McConaughey fans will have a buffet. Other than the club scenes, I thought it was poorly acted. Of course, maybe I’m just too old to get all that excited over stuff like that.

    Just saw that fellow Tarheel Andy Griffith has died. I was a fan until he prostituted himself for Obamacare. Broke my heart. I guess they’ll have to find another shill now.

    Push those congressional elections, folks, it’s our only hope.

    • Riley4Palin

      Thanks for depressing me about the political scene until the ‘Magic Mike’ commentary.  😉  We saw it Saturday night.  I’ll be honest, it was different than what I expected.  Yes, weak storyline, acting, and depressing to boot.  I suppose the director was sending a message that there is more to life than stripping for money, but isn’t that why the ladies went to see it in the first place?!!  

      To all the ladies out there needing a break from your boyfriends and husbands, save your money and read “Fifty Shades of Grey.”  LOL

    • LS as guest

      Epic post, Bean.

  • Gelston

    I will miss Andy Griffith ……………………….

    • Firelight

      me too Gelston…

  • Lipstick

    Mitt needs to just be a politician and say he did what the voters of Mass wanted him to do in helping to bring in mandated insurance. Because of the tenth amendment, Mass can do what they think is right and in his liberal state, that is what the voters wanted, it was popular at the time although it needs to be tweeked but since he is not Gov anymore it is not in his power to do so, blah, blah blah, blah…..then he needs to cram ObamaTax up Obama’s butt every time he gets a chance

    Grow a pair Mitt and play it like that, it is the only way.

    I have little hope either way of ObamaTax being repealed.

    I will get a no satisfaction telling people who love it when they are denied coverage (& they will be) and dying that I tried to tell them so.

    My plan is to step up my running to be even more healthy and even less likely to need care.  :)

    I hate to think soon we will see the takers sucking yet another part of our society dry. They are like locusts who come in and destroy and loot all there is.

    When you have not worked in anyway to provide something, and it is given to you for free, even given front of the line status (since you are poor, minority or whatever label they want to give to the sheep voting masses they deserve to be put in front of the people who are responsible and work after all…) you have little regard or respect for it so you see no reason to take care of it or preserve it. This is what will happen to our health care system. The takers will suck it dry and there will be nothing left.

    Something given for free loses its value to those who receive it for nothing.

    But cheer up!

    I am off to Houston for the night. The boy is at scout camp for the week. Hubby has an appointment with his orthopedic surgeon today for his surgery follow up and we are staying the night and watching fireworks tonight. Should be fun. Praying hubby gets his back in line before he is deemed unworthy of saving, he is over 45 you know!

    • Gelston

      patients tell me they don’t like Obama care.
      Then they turn around and say someone else should pay for their health care.

      • section9

        This should give you an idea of what a boatload of the electorate is like these days.

        Voters will take Free Stuff as long as They don’t believe They are having to pay for it.

        That’s the secret to the expansion of Government since the Thirties. People will vote themselves largesse from the Public Treasury until the well runs dry.

        This is how democracies and constitutional republics die. They kill themselves.

  • Riley4Palin

    Romney’s team is getting deeper in the weeds by the twisting of this narrative.  The GOP went with the narrative that Roberts created of being a tax and they screwed everything up yesterday.  It still is politics and the majority of Americans have short attention spans regarding politics. 

    Taxes are always perceived to be a GOP issue and now we are fiddling with calling it a tax or penalty.  Stupid move by the Romney camp.

    • Firelight

      Yes, and he is opening himself up to this tax vs fees criticism.  That is basically what is going on now. Don’t call it a tax, call it a mandate. Don’t call it a tax, call it a fee.

      Romney will lose the trust of the people if he plays semantics games instead of just being honest (not that he had anyone’s trust to begin with but…)

      • senator20526

        Rmoney can not control his advisers….they go off and say such stupid things and he just goes and pretends that nothing happened…..if this is the way he will govern, if elected President, God help us…..

        • section9

          The point is, he won’t get elected sending out signals like this.

  • section9

    Reposted from C4P. My Opinion of the Red Guards over at the Pig Palace, and other places:

    Bear this in mind; you waste your time when you actually try to argue with the Palin haters.

    Dr. Johnson once wrote: “One cannot argue a man out of a position he
    has not been argued into”. These people are fanatics, like the Hitler
    Youth or the Red Guards of old. Very few of them have ever actually met
    Palin, like some of the people here at C4P and P4A. They simply hate
    because that is what Progressives do with dangerous political opponents.

    They made up the entire Trig Truth legend out of whole cloth to
    rationalize their hatred of a woman who chose to give birth to a Downs’
    child instead of getting an abortion.

    They made up embezzlement charges that never existed. Indeed, when
    Shannyn Moore tried to gull Andrea Mitchell of NBC News into reporting
    on bogus embezzlement charges, Palin’s attorney came out with a
    statement from the Anchorage Office of the FBI that there were no
    investigations of the Governor that were ongoing or planned AND that any
    further accusations of this kind would be met in court. The Palins had
    kept the paperwork surrounding the construction of their home,
    apparently. That shut Moore up real fast. Mitchell ended up on a fishing
    boat with Sarah. There was no embezzlement. It was all a lie, like Trig

    As we’ve seen with the Brett Kimberlin Affair, Progressives lie to
    serve larger political ends. Malia Litman was an Obama activist in Texas
    who never met Palin in her life. She even filed an  ethics complaint
    against Palin long after she left office over her friend’s production
    company being able to take advantage of Alaskan tax law (that Palin
    extended back in 2007) so Sarah Palin’s Alaska could take advantage of some tax credits to film in Alaska.

    There is nothing these people will not do. This is what the Left
    does. They will continue to grow more angry and desperate as their
    social model falls apart in places like California and Illinois.
    Obamacare, for example, if kept in place will eventually stress the
    budget to such a point that loan rates on U.S. Treasuries will climb
    above 5%.

    Progressives don’t get this. It is a very safe bet that even if
    reelected, Obama will end up with the same historic reputation as
    Herbert Hoover. The money is not there. The Progressive Social Model
    cannot do anything but collapse of its own weight. It is no accident
    that the Obamacare model steals 500 billion dollars from Medicare to
    even begin to work.

    There is a reason Detroit looks like Hiroshima after the Bomb. There
    is a reason that the Middle Class is fleeing Progressive California and
    Illinois. There is a reason Scott Walker won.

    This is why Progressives are angry and desperate. The real smart ones
    are afraid of someone like Palin, who actually accomplished a lot in
    Alaska, and who made the Booster Seat Emperor bleed for awhile before
    Lehman Brothers caved in in 2008. Then Obama won and proceeded to do
    things that made a bad situation worse.

    Above all, they hate Sarah Palin because she is on the Right Side of History, and the Left is stuck in the 20th Century and refuses to get out.

    That is why Palin will win, and they will lose. And they hate her for it like poison.

  • blackbird

    The Whittle video was Excellent.

  • hrh40

    Heh heh heh, glad you checked to see if you were still a woman! :)

    Took a coupla’ days offline and I guess I missed some stuff, eh?

    Great soapbox, Fire, keep it handy.

    In case anyone’s interested, I participated with some tea partiers yesterday to do a professional recording of The Declaration of Independence. We recorded it a local radio station, and the host will be airing it in the last part of his show tomorrow, July 4, around 8:30 a.m.EST or so.

    Here’s the livestream if you’re near a computer at that time:

    • Firelight

      Look at you being all patriotic and productive!!!   I will try and tune in, we get up early around here :)

  • Crueladev

    WOW…okay RIP Andy Griffith.  Even though he kind of weirded out in his old age!

  • BostonBruin

    According to this article, Todd is finished with the “Stars Earn Stripes” adventure and is headed back to Alaska for the commerical fishing season. Time to get slimed!

  • poljunkie

    Let me just say Firelight, I HATE the dentist. Sure he may be a nice guy, but…inflicting pain is not a profession i’d chose. 
    Ive had root canals, he always seems to go just a little too far. Once he had to remove me from the ceiling. Even with my “hard” exterior, I actually broke down and started to cry.
    # embarrassing. He had me sit in his office until I was able to compose my self. Ha. That was 10 or 12 years ago, and we both laugh about it. BUT IT HURT.
    I must have done something bad, very bad in a previous life.

    Sheriff Taylor- RIP.

    Growing up, we watched The Andy Griffith Show. Sheriff Taylor and Aunt Bea represented strong values which were usually adhered to in our country in the early 1960’s.
    It was a fun show to watch, and often times you walked away with a lesson learned.Andy also did a cameo in a Brad Paisely song “Waitin’ on a woman” (re-released in 2008).
    Its a great song, and well worth a watch.

    The song brings back the same type of memories of a bygone era.I too really liked Mr Griffith until the shilling for Health Care . That was disappointing.My goodness, I just realized that the original show has been in syndication for over 49 years.

    • Firelight

      I’m with you Poljunkie, I do not like the dentist.  Thankfully, mine is nice and very cool. I have sensitive teeth and he heats the water for me before I get there.

      My kid’s dentist is really nice. The kids really like her so we have had no issues with it so far.

      • poljunkie

        That’s awesome that he heats the water. whatta guy. How nice.
        Our dentist is really nice too. He’s even conservative. When hubby goes they have political convo’s and they usually end up whispering so the rest of the patients don’t hear. They are equally annoyed about current events ( The dentist was a Palin supporter for Pres, then went to Perry, then Newt,Then Santorum…I ran into him at Safeway, and he is barely supporting Romney)
        When I was a little kid- I was very nearsighted and wore coke bottle glasses. I just couldn’t see without them.

        The dentist (mean old guy) insisted on taking them away when I sat down.

        My mom, who was not at all invested in my early days like I was with my son, didn’t care.
        If it had been my son, I would have gone into the cubicle and raised holy heck.

        • Firelight

          Well that wasn’t very nice of the dentist to take your glasses!  Yeah, several of my friends that wanted Palin for Pres are supporting Mitt but it is VERY tepid.

          Aren’t you in Cali?  Are you southern, central or northern?

          • Gelston

            My father was a country doctor. He hated the dentist. He would drink about 1/2 bottle of whiskey before each visit. The poor dentist probably thought my father was a hopeless drunk.

          • poljunkie

            No I grew up in California but I live in Arizona now.

  • Bean Counter

    New Facebook post from Governor Palin:

    Trig and I are gearing up to watch Piper Indi march in the “big”
    annual 4th of July parade tomorrow with her cousins in Wasilla! (Yes,
    Piper’s middle name “Indi” is short for Independence.) Todd picks up
    Bristol and Willow to fly them over to Bristol Bay so they can get their
    hands dirty on our commercial fishing grounds – the season’s peak is
    soon and we’re praying for an onslaught of wild Alaskan salmon to slay
    for appreciative consumers and a huge harvest for our young crew that
    needs to make some money for school tuition! Willow celebrates her
    birthday during this holiday week, and she gets a tank of gas in her
    pickup truck; it’s her favorite gift. Glad it’s Tuesday because we’ll
    get to tune in to Bristol’s show “Life’s a Tripp” on the Lifetime
    Network tonight amidst Piper’s parade preparations… I think it’s the
    episode where the girls attend the CPAC conference with me and we have a
    wild time with great friends and patriots! Tune in tonight to see
    Willow’s profound advice she shares on my politics. :)
    about our son and all of America’s deployed troops and our vets who let
    us celebrate our great nation’s independence. Thank you, U.S. military,
    for serving there so we can celebrate here. We love America and we
    thank those who serve and sacrifice.
    Happy 4th of July, America!
    – Sarah Palin

  • hrh40

    Conspiracy Theory re Bristol’s show schedule change: Tonight’s two episodes feature Sarah Palin according to the descriptions at yahoo TV. Episode 1 is CPAC, episode 2 the girls plan a surprise for Sarah. Hence, the schedule change.

    Of course, I know the ratings haven’t been great either … but conspiracies are fun!

  • palinsupporter1

    Hello all, I think I’ve made the jump for a while to P4A from C4P.  Just need a break from all the drama…

    • Firelight

      Welcome!  We are the smart asses over in this corner of Palin land :)

      • IsraeliCojones

        Don’t insult my intelligence, please 😉

        • Firelight

          (big cheesy grin) 

          Hi lovely lady :)

  • Nancy6

    Thankful for the rain this afternoon!

  • panchita

    Three year ago  i took great comfort in these words from her resignation speech “Life is too short to compromise time and resources. And though it may be tempting and more comfortable to just kind of keep your head down and plod along and appease those who are demanding, hey, just sit down and shut up, but that’s a worthless, easy path. That’s a quitters way out. And I think a problem in our country today is apathy. It would be apathetic to just kind of hunker down and go with the flow.” She was right, we are apathetic. today, the sun is setting on our country. the yoke of romneyobamacare is now the law of the land and we are soon finished as the greatest country on this earth founded on God and democratic principles.  
    The law will never be repealed. and in the end, we will all be forced to go with the flow.
    take heart friends. our kingdom is not of this earth. grow closer to God and your families.

    gin and tonics for the chihuahua tonite. its been a long 3 years.

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